EVE General Discussion

From an overall perspective, the members pay for said service through taxes and being unable to establish structures. Lore perspective goes to the root of concord and overseeing protection of non capsuleer interests, and so on.

So it is a war dec shield. But nothing is gained for myself in giving it up. All I would get is these notifications saying I cannot do my highsec business for a week. I spend a majority of my time running exploration in low and null so it would just be reduced to a minor annoyance for me. Is all because a war declaration is global. If war decs were not global based, your suggestions would not be so bad. As it stands, war decs are only a grief tool.

So if there we go. A war dec should be to encourage competition between high sec people. It does not. It is only effective as a grief tool. Players without the SP or experience to survive or enjoy despite a war dec are instead relegated to a week of not playing. NPC corp is the only alternative outside of being forced to join an established corp, or not play.

Eve is a sandbox, should new players taking the reigns and trying to forge their own from the start not be a better directive than forcing new players to have to hide under the skirts of others?

Why do the mechanics not encourage new player vs new player war decs for small scale fights over small objectives like mission hubs or mining spots? Make it so people can pvp on their level without making it arena based.

Hahaha, go right ahead and stop me, fella. Next time, defend yourself instead of running away and threatening "moderation". Onos.

yes - and like all of your other arguments this is a strawman

NPC's are not safe or incubated from anything - those within them as just as liable to gate-ganking, etc

You make me so tired, starting this old discussion up again for the eight billion time (see I can also make up numbers). This discussion is assuming most NPC corp members are in highsec(which you don't know tbh., neither do I). It is always discussed with exagerations from both sides with not supported statements:

THOUSANDS!!! THOUSANDS will leave(according to one side they will leave to player corps, and to the other side they will leave game)!! Hear my words... we are legion.... and if I don't get my way EVE is DOOOOOMED, DOOOOOMED I say.


As you said yourself, alot of these are alts and probably not a lot of mains(I don't know this with certainty though). Cyno alts, scouting alts, boosting alts, trading alts, PI alts and hauling alts. I personally have one PVP char in a player corp and the 4 remaining in npc corps. They are not untouchable, have lost a BR once in jita, due to my **** up where i forgot to warp to my instadock one day. Thank you and gf., mr Tornado pilot




The reason they are in a NPC corp: my corp will only allow me to have one char in there. I have asked many times. I have also seen in many corp adds that this is the case... no alts. I also don't have the time to be in more corps, which tbh. very few corps would also allow.. Spying and so on... so there you have another reason. Sure i could have all my alts in my own 4 man alt corp, but I fail to see what you would gain extra from this, that you couldn't fix with a gank catalyst today.

If you make their npc corps wardeccable it wouldn't change anything at all. They would still stay in there. I live in Low sec, so you don't need a wardec to attack any of my alts anyway. So even if your changes were made, I would still stay in a npc corp with my alts, as I would recon a lot of others would. because where should they go with their crappy hauling alt? The only thing that would perhaps change is that I wouldn't get my PVP ships from the major tradehubs but from lowsec tradehubs when I go shopping once a month, as they would be perma camped by corps who have all npc corps wardecced.

TLDR: your fix will not make the giant difference you think it will IMO (THOUSANDS and THOUSANDS of new players in player made corps :D lol), as it is not only scared mains hiding in npc corps, but also alot of utility alts that no corp would take in. Sure you can make it insignificantly harder for these people who has alts, fine for me. But what do you gain from this that you could not handle with suicicde ganking, gameplay wise?

Btw. the new players already have the Help channel the first month. which has the same function of your help corp.

Nah. No point, as I see readily from responses, such as your own, that dont read correctly nor comprehend the actual changes I have proposed.

Its not even a matter of disagreeing, which is fine. Its not even a matter of finding a flaw in my proposal, rationally, intelligently. Id be fine with that.

Its simply a matter of NOT READING ACCURATELY, and instead superimposing their own fictional, false interpretations based on a false reading of the proposal in the first place. Instead of asking for clarification, they default to their own imagination. Instead of understanding, they seek its opposite.

Its pointless. Quality in communication, and in reciprocation, has degraded so far, as to make it entirely impossible and worthless.
The only quality and argument they reciprocate to, is one that is their own, and inlign with their own subjective inter3sts.

There is no way to communicate with someone who refuses to listen.

I fold. **** it.

Die in your own fires, fkers.

You shall reap what you have sown, and which you deserve.

You are, yourselves, the cancer that plagues this game and the world without it.

Im out.
Goodbye.

Worthless.

The biggest problem with new player corps is that it (almost) invariably results in the blind leading the blind. You don't want to have new players in a corp only with new players, ideally, you want to put them in a corp full of veteran players such that they can ask lots of good questions, and get lots of good answers.

Wardecs aren't the problem. Not having veteran players to teach them how to deal with it, or even show them how to have fun participating...that is the problem.

Give me your carebear stuff in compensation for subjecting my eyes and brain to your nonsense electrons, my child

This thread is nothing but trolling and your performance now is just comical.

If you had a serious proposal you would have put it in the proper place.

You're not going anywhere and claiming you are puts you on the same level as IZ. Yeah I said it.

I guess he couldn't cope. Bye bye Salvleaq.