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Hey CCP; Why are you re-releasing "uniques" ? Gold Magnate / Silver

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Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#161 - 2015-09-28 21:28:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Vollhov wrote:
It's not the same for everybody.

It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though.

I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial.


Have you read the book EVE Empyrean age?
Have you read the Chronicle?
Read hotels books and Chronicles.
Read hotels story on the periphery capsuleer
Combine them.
And Eve would be the game dreams. (which destroys)

Sorry for the English

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Marsha Mallow
#162 - 2015-09-28 21:35:00 UTC
Still not seeing why new batches of collectables can't be given unique identifiers to keep people on both sides satisfied. It can't be that technically tricky to make each release batch unique. There's nothing unreasonable about existing owners (or previous winners) of these items commenting when the re-release policy is so ridiculously inconsistent. Either use a decal with a DOB, an item name that includes the release year or a special skin etc. But once decided, please release a formal policy and stick to it. This debate has been ongoing for years and it's getting a bit old.

It shouldn't be so hard to see that high value ingame items should be handled with care. If they aren't, the ingame lore and player driven narrative is debased as a result, as is the effort and time of players with an interest. It's also shortsighted to release items like the CA set and geckos which have really high stats and will be heavily used, then make vague (or contradictory) comments about subsequent releases. And it's outright insulting to the AT participants to mess them about over prizes. Researching collectables to try sort out the policy on each is a joke at the moment, because there aren't any. Just random remarks from devs (some of whom aren't even at CCP anymore). Also, all the people who support re-releases appear to be bitchy peasants whose only interest in commenting is to goad existing owners. Which is irrelevant noise tbh.

Player disgruntlement seems to stem from CCP's poor handing of this. It's almost like they want a wave of drama over each proposed release so they can decide on a case-by-case basis how to handle them, but all it does is annoy everyone involved and make them look indecisive. Are we supposed to have a tantrum every time this is mentioned then spend hours knocking each other about on the forums just to get a fair and sensible decision? Wouldn't it be better for CCP to treat the playerbase with fairness and respect in the first place, rather than us having to spell it out? Players keep coming out to support CCP when the community turns incoherent with nerd-rage so constructive feedback over changes can get through, but it's a massive waste of effort when they undermine themselves with such poor decisions. And honestly, why the CSM isn't pointing this out is beyond me.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#163 - 2015-09-28 21:49:18 UTC
Vollhov wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Vollhov wrote:
It's not the same for everybody.

It does seem some people have some attachment to the concept of any aspect of eve's history becoming immutable along with any items that may have played a part in that history. That those items may return factually doesn't change eve's history though.

I'd see the extent of the issue if this prize was for something unrelated to the way they were originally obtained, but it isn't. That said they could probably make everyone happy by creating a 2nd version for the in game year of this event, even if using the same hull. Maybe label the old ones for the original IG year. It's a superficial change, but then every issue with the re-issue is equally superficial.


Have you read the book EVE Empyrean age?
Have you read the Chronicle?
Read hotels books and Chronicles.
Then Kiss stories alliances capsuleer on the periphery.
Combine them.
And Eve would be the game dreams. (which destroys)

Read the chronicle, which to my recollection doesn't even mention the magnate, much less enshrine in any lore or history any inability to be reproduced by the empire. So in this combined story, is that something actually mentioned? Or does the rerelease actually not violate any lore or history?

If it's the latter, then all you've brought up is irrelevant, if the former, you have my concession.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2015-09-28 21:54:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Still not seeing why new batches of collectables can't be given unique identifiers to keep people on both sides satisfied. It can't be that technically tricky to make each release batch unique. There's nothing unreasonable about existing owners (or previous winners) of these items commenting when the re-release policy is so ridiculously inconsistent. Either use a decal with a DOB, an item name that includes the release year or a special skin etc. But once decided, please release a formal policy and stick to it. This debate has been ongoing for years and it's getting a bit old.

It shouldn't be so hard to see that high value ingame items should be handled with care. If they aren't, the ingame lore and player driven narrative is debased as a result, as is the effort and time of players with an interest. It's also shortsighted to release items like the CA set and geckos which have really high stats and will be heavily used, then make vague (or contradictory) comments about subsequent releases. And it's outright insulting to the AT participants to mess them about over prizes. Researching collectables to try sort out the policy on each is a joke at the moment, because there aren't any. Just random remarks from devs (some of whom aren't even at CCP anymore). Also, all the people who support re-releases appear to be bitchy peasants whose only interest in commenting is to goad existing owners. Which is irrelevant noise tbh.

Player disgruntlement seems to stem from CCP's poor handing of this. It's almost like they want a wave of drama over each proposed release so they can decide on a case-by-case basis how to handle them, but all it does is annoy everyone involved and make them look indecisive. Are we supposed to have a tantrum every time this is mentioned then spend hours knocking each other about on the forums just to get a fair and sensible decision? Wouldn't it be better for CCP to treat the playerbase with fairness and respect in the first place, rather than us having to spell it out? Players keep coming out to support CCP when the community turns incoherent with nerd-rage so constructive feedback over changes can get through, but it's a massive waste of effort when they undermine themselves with such poor decisions. And honestly, why the CSM isn't pointing this out is beyond me.


Here are 2013. Where everything went.
Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history.
Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress.

Quote:
Read the chronicle, which to my recollection doesn't even mention the magnate, much less enshrine in any lore or history any inability to be reproduced by the empire. So in this combined story, is that something actually mentioned? Or does the rerelease actually not violate any lore or history?

If it's the latter, then all you've brought up is irrelevant, if the former, you have my concession.


Just history of the world it is the Eve Chronicle, books and stories, capsuleers.
Since according to chronicles and books and gave out Gold Tycoon
Since this was already in the History of EVE.

It was the succession after the death of Heideran.
Why is the "wheel of samsara"
I personally do not understand.
Oh I'm sorry you're in the game from 2014.

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Marsha Mallow
#165 - 2015-09-28 22:06:12 UTC
Vollhov wrote:
Here are 2013. Where everything went.
Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history.
Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress.

She was a hussy anyway. And a Drifter sockpuppet.
RIP hoodies.
Straight

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#166 - 2015-09-28 22:12:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Vollhov wrote:
Here are 2013. Where everything went.
Since 2013 CCP began to rewrite history.
Just at dat year, and the question was raised about the state of the Empress.

She was a hussy anyway. And a Drifter sockpuppet.
RIP hoodies.
Straight

Those who wanted to have to be satisfieds.
Quote:
hoodies

I would not say that she was this Big smile
Tony describes it very beautiful.
On this topic.
Give the winners a new ship, not old. Which is how the memory of the Hayderan VII

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2015-09-28 22:14:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyberius Franklin
Vollhov wrote:
Just history of the world it is the Eve Chronicle, books and stories, capsuleers.
Since according to chronicles and books and gave out Gold Tycoon
Since this was already in the History of EVE.

It was the succession after the death of Heideran.
Why is the "wheel of samsara"
I personally do not understand.
Oh I'm sorry you're in the game from 2014.

So it sounds like you have no evidence to support the claim and further have issues with dates.

Hint: Someone with an employment history of 5 years in 2015 would obviously have been in the game before 2014 even before considering the possibility of other older characters.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#168 - 2015-09-28 22:22:16 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Vollhov wrote:
Just history of the world it is the Eve Chronicle, books and stories, capsuleers.
Since according to chronicles and books and gave out Gold Tycoon
Since this was already in the History of EVE.

It was the succession after the death of Heideran.
Why is the "wheel of samsara"
I personally do not understand.
Oh I'm sorry you're in the game from 2014.

So it sounds like you have no evidence to support the claim and further have issues with dates.

Hint: Someone with an employment history of 5 years in 2015 would obviously have been in the game before 2014 even before considering the possibility of other older characters.

No, I respect the old players.
And sorry that have not played in 2003 in this wonderful game. And so many missed the Cry

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Arec Bardwin
#169 - 2015-09-29 01:16:24 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion.
Yes. It's called entertainment Blink
Khan Wrenth
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#170 - 2015-09-29 01:25:05 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
EVE online, the game where nothing is ever safe, even "unique" status of items.


My "go-to" example for nothing in EvE being safe is the overview. The devs managed to gank a lot of people's overviews some months back. I never even left the station that particular day. They ganked my overview while I was in station.

Anyway, as for the point of this thread...

Everyone loves the next batch of new ships every time there's a tournament. The ships look cool, people fantasize about owning one, etc etc.

Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people. If I were CCP, I'd find another ship to gold-plate. Between the two options of A: please everyone, or B: **** off half of EvE, I know which one I'd elect to do. I'm not going to jump down their throats, demand or whine, or anything like that, but it seems to me that there's a huge inventory of ships in EvE, and there's way too much untapped potential to start going back to the old well already.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#171 - 2015-09-29 04:28:18 UTC
Because you're bad
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#172 - 2015-09-29 05:16:54 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
I like how people are trying so utterly hard to add all kinds of silly logic to the discussion.
Yes. It's called entertainment Blink


No it's mostly just this.
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#173 - 2015-09-29 08:02:28 UTC
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people.


There is like 50 people who really care about this stuff.
The vast majority of The EvE player base will have no clue about this or not care that there is a championship/Silver-Gold Magnate's in the 1st place.
Like really.
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#174 - 2015-09-29 21:28:30 UTC
Tappits wrote:
Khan Wrenth wrote:
Re-releasing old ones has pissed off a large number of people.


There is like 50 people who really care about this stuff.
The vast majority of The EvE player base will have no clue about this or not care that there is a championship/Silver-Gold Magnate's in the 1st place.
Like really.

here here will
And because of 50 players, what for was to to touch LOR.
No that would come up with something new.
What would all were satisfied.

EVE R.I.P

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#175 - 2015-09-29 21:47:24 UTC
Big Lynx wrote:
Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.


Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents.


The problem is that for many new and fresh players these two names (S/G Magnates) doesn't mean anything at all. So they simply won't bother by fact of re-releasing those agan. Hmm maybe in terms of sell/buy if the price tag is comfortable.

On other hand the guard of vets including current owners got mad. Cause yeah, all these years it was not affordable and in case you want to buy one you should be ready to spend billions. Seems pretty anfair.

Meanwhile we had this Jamyl's storyline dropped on us. Should i care of her death? Maybe. And only in connection of new batch of Magnets would be released after Amarr tournament. That's silly in my pov.

In tearms of creativity, CCP could do much better other that Magnates.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP

Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#176 - 2015-09-29 21:54:58 UTC
Tiddle Jr wrote:
Big Lynx wrote:
Is CCP's forge of creativity and ideas on vacation? So they don't have time for releasing NEW unique legendary ships, which would make EvE Online a more interesting and varied place? CCP, you can do much much better.


Re-releasing old legendary ships destroys the history and the spirit of EvE Online. My 2 cents.


The problem is that for many new and fresh players these two names (S/G Magnates) doesn't mean anything at all. So they simply won't bother by fact of re-releasing those agan. Hmm maybe in terms of sell/buy if the price tag is comfortable.

On other hand the guard of vets including current owners got mad. Cause yeah, all these years it was not affordable and in case you want to buy one you should be ready to spend billions. Seems pretty anfair.

Meanwhile we had this Jamyl's storyline dropped on us. Should i care of her death? Maybe. And only in connection of new batch of Magnets would be released after Amarr tournament. That's silly in my pov.

In tearms of creativity, CCP could do much better other that Magnates.


I, too, believe in the CCP.
What they can do is much everything better.
But why they do not want.
They can Attention. And the possibilities they have.

It is a pity that one can not turn back the clock. Sad

End of Time. I'm not fanatic, I'm just a servant by Her Majesty the Empress Jamyl Sarum I. It's time to leave this world to me. YC111 to YC117.12.10 20:00

Dragorin
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#177 - 2015-10-11 16:02:36 UTC
My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.
Whelm
CRA Haven
#178 - 2015-10-12 03:30:20 UTC
Dragorin wrote:
My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.

Back in Feb?

I think the original claim was after every major update or something like that which never really happened. But don't quote me on that.
Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#179 - 2015-10-13 04:28:39 UTC
The original was given out as a prize and I think it is interesting that these will be given out as a prize for the same event. If it were for something like Somer I wouldn't agree with it but since it is for the Championship Trials trials I believe it is appropriate.

Also, I think they should give out a Pyrite Magnate to each main that is Amarr.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson

Burl en Daire
M.O.M.S. Corp
#180 - 2015-10-13 04:35:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Burl en Daire
Dragorin wrote:
My wonder is when was the last time CCP gave something to the CE code holders? I kind of feel like they have decided to not carry on with that.



Seems like it was about 6 months ago. I'll see if I can find something.


Here it is, February.

Yesterday's weirdness is tomorrow's reason why. Hunter S. Thompson