EVE General Discussion

So let me get this right, Mr. Walloftext Trollmachine moved from "make them red sooner" to "wardec everyone older than 30", and some people sitll are taking him seriously?

NPC/AI elements are not the sand we play in.

They are like robots in our sandbox, alongside us humans, which operate according to specific parameters and conditions.

NPC corps are a longstanding, and vestigal, anathema in EVE.
FacPo and CONCORD are active elements.
NPC corps, however, in the games current iteration, in no way or how, involve themselves in the lives of their capsuleer members.
Being part of an NPC corps is just an empty, meaningless label, for one reason and one reason alone.
Wardec immunity.
How is that a good thing, in any way.

Making them wardecable, makes emminent sense, and should have happened long ago.
The "safety" you refer to, is artificial, NPC based, not player based, and hence yet anothet element in this game which impedes a true sandbox experience.

Proof positive of this, is the fact that even in an NPC corp, you are not immune to HS aggression. Its just a farcicle front, that prevents wardecs, which is otherwise a natural form of player interaction and aggression in HS.

The notion of "safety in an NPC corp" is , as a way of play, false.

Further proof positive of this, is that the artificial immunity to wardecs, de-incentizes, systemically, forming your own corp or joining one, which in sum total is deleterious towards the sandboxes inherent HUMAN interaction imperative.

NPC corps hence are systemically impairing player based content and organisation, by its very existance.

As many others have asked in recent threads, "whats the point in joining or forming a player corp, if I can stay in an NPC corp?"
This exactly points out the problem.

This is the intent. EVE should not have any safe places, period. Nothing you achieve should come without the risk of resistance and aggression from another player.

next step up from all that bumping extravagenza will be tornadoes. Then what are you guys gonna try to "fix"?

If CODE can't afford those (which it can), you'll have to deal with uncle mittens and the kittens.

But anyone can ALREADY destroy whatever a player is flying that is in an NPC corp. Nothing is stopping you. Yes there are repercussions and a price to pay but nothing is actually stopping you. All you're advocating for is for the removal of the cost and repercussions of destroying other people's stuff in hi-sec.

The slightly smarter people that don't immediately rage quit after their first month of playing (good bye to the 2y of subs they would have payed before quitting) will just form 1-2 man corps. Anytime they get wardecced they'll just disband and recreate. This does not ADD anything to the game. It frustrates both gankers and players. It's an unnecessary schlep that serves no purpose and there will be much whining and gnashing of teeth on both sides.

Yea, so the majority of players who only PvE in 'safe' Hi-Sec quit after 2y anyways. So the heck what. A small % of those eventually get further into the game. With this bright spark of an idea you don't even get that 2y. CCP gets nothing, no subs and more importantly far fewer people that eventually move into LS or NS. I only tried stuff that wasn't HS about a year or two into my eve career. I've done wormholes, LS, NS, FW, exploration in all areas of space. I consumed as well as got consumed as content in those areas of space. None of that would have happened if I could not get comfortable enough with the game at my own pace if there was no 'kinda safe' area of space.

Meh, dunno why I'm even going on about it, it's such a patently bad business move for CCP, even they wont be stupid enough to even entertain the idea. No seriously, as bad as they are, it wont happen.

Didn't read topic at all.

CODE. will be fine. Eve Online will be fine.

Calm down and buy a Permit.

The outcome is far more complex than that.

First of all, the exodus of players out of NPC corps into existing corps mitigates this, and is conducive to more player content as well as satisfaction. Its a GOOD thing, to join a player corp. Not a bad thing,

Second, if they create their own small player corps, that too, is a GOOD thing. Now they are invested, interrsted and committed, in a way they would never have been in the original NPC corps.

Third, its currently ok to sidestep wardecs, by re-incorporating. Yes, this presents some irrational problems unconducive to game systems, but they can be corrected, later, once its course has been observed and measured. For sure, wardec issues will persist, but those do not obviate the current NPC corp problems.

Fourth, this is ABOUT PLAYERS and player based content. An NPC corp, defacto, stifles this potential content. As many have asked "why should i leave an NPC corp?" Well, the answer to that is simple. Provide a reason to do so, that is also conducive to more player based content and organisation; ergo by de-incentivising NPC corp membership (as by it being wardecable, like any other corp).

Player based content will positively EXPLODE in magnitude if the changes I have proposed are enacted.

Thousands of players will flood to existing corps, not just in HS, but throughout all sectors, and many will opt to form their own corps either to stay in HS, or move elsewhere.

The face of EVE will be completely changed, not just in HS but everywhere, as the existing player base floods out of NPC corps to real, content creating player organisations, either existant or of their own making.

This sums up how I see it.

An enormous explosion of activity.

Thousands of NPC Corp players, looking for new life and opportunity, once CCP stomps the NPC/mother entity.

They will proliferate throughout EVE, in all sector corps, and form their own corps, and it will be good.

NPC corps CANNOT AND DO NOT provide content and incentive.
Its just an empty label, for purposes of avoiding wardec.

This is not a system conducive to player interaction in this sandbox.
NPC corps provide nothing constructive or dynamic to the game.

I would prefer, in all cases, 10 thousand 1man corps, to even one single NPC corp.
Who wouldnt?

You know, if you didn't jump off the deep end as often, people might take your actual rational suggestion a bit more seriously.

This is simply incorrect and the problem with your entire viewpoint. NPC corps aren't as bad as you make them out to be, they are in fact worse than 1 man corps. A 1 man corp is a way of limiting even further people's exposure to other people. At least in an NPC corp they have a collection of people they may end up talking to and playing with. That doesn't exist in a 1 man corp. Forcing people out of NPC corps only adds an additional setup step to being able to play the game, it doesn't ensure players will actually be interested in being in "random solo corp #2381773". The only people that stand to benefit from people being pushed out of NPC corps is wardeccers, as war notifications are now discreet enough to be missed by those not used to them.