EVE General Discussion

If only I could like this post more than once...

I'll be honest, it had crossed my mind. Especially the one guy who went crazy and ran around peeing on people.

I agree entirely.

I have a post somewhere (dunno where) that addresses this much the same as you do here.

I think NPC corps should be war-decable. Not so you can attack the NPC elements of the corp, but only the capsuleers in it.
I see no reason why players in NPC corps should not also band together against threats, as they would in any other cirp, against mutual aggressors. The one difference being that they cannot declare war on anyone else, as they are merely capsuleers under the auspices of anNPC corp, to which none of them have CEO and executive functions.

One caveat however, is the concern of new players who automatically end up in one of these, and whom would become unduly easy targets. To reconcile that, I recommended new players joining a new "Capsuleer Training Corp"-style universal corp, rather than an NPC one. This creates problems in the traditiinal character generation system though, where players are prompted to choose an NPC faction. But I think this can be re-aligned so that the player is, in his history, FROM that school/NPC corp, and will default to it, once their character has been active for 30 days, from the war-dec immune "Capsuleer Training Corp".

So roughly:
-Choose NPC corp in player generation.
-Upon generation, member in Capsuleer Training Corp (wardec immune).
-30 days ensured in this corp.
-Thereafter player is automatically shifted to NPC corp of their previous choosing. (Wardecable)
(Or join a player corp, before or after).

Do you get what Im saying?

Implementing this creates no problem in regards to existing characters already in NPC corps.
Their only difference, is that they are now vulnerable to wardecs, and have to resort to community action to secure themselves within that corp, same as everyone else.

Id suggest that wardecing these newly open target NPC corps costs substantially more than player corps.
Reason for this, is the huge quantity of targets such a wardec provides, as offset against those capsuleers restricted capacity for operating the NPC corp.
So possible to wardec, yes, but very expensive.
I think thats a fair and equitable result.

(Brb, heading out for more beer and smokes)

Salvos,

Make it so that players less than 30 days old (pick a number) in an NPC Corp in EVE are immune to aggression mechanics of wardecs. No special Corp needs to be engineered into the game.

Yeesh, this ended up in the wrong thread.

Anyway, Dryson is a laughingstock, I have to agree with Jonah on that one.

It's weird to hear people arguing how great high sec pvp is as I have only ever seen it as griefing players who can't/don't know how to fight back properly .
We have other types of space to pvp in so go there ,I'm not against high sec dunks tbh for rare and valuable ships but the ability to junk dunk on noobs then goad them in local because "boredom" is complete bs .

1) Yes, you are right, they would be wardecced constantly (albeit at a greater isk price for doing so, dunno if that edit made it in before your post). Especially if wardec costs/mechanics are changed, as is the word on the grapevine.

2) Yes, you are right, the incentive to make small corps will sky rocket. I dont see a problem with that. I think its a good thing. NPC corp members have three options as a result, a) organize defence within the NPC corp on a player basis b) join an existing player corp c) form their own corp. All three options result in more player based content, than the current status quo. Furthermore, with thousands of 1man player corps, wardecing is reciprocally compromised, according to its existing mechanics, in the sense that i) there are so many wardeccable player corps ii) those corp members can simply create another corp, and continue as before.

You perceive these results as negative, for various unstated reasons but which I can understand and imagine nonetheless.

I, however, see the results as positive.

Yes, my view is a deal more hardcore, unforgiving and demanding than yours.
But I think I am justified, rationally. It will hurt players vested in NPC safety, initially, as they make the transition, but its good for the game overall.

Its a bit like finally, invariably, kicking the kids out of the nest, so they learn to fly on their own and survive in the world.
They might die a bit, but thats ok. They are more resilient than one might think, and will adapt once faced with these adversities.

I see it as a glorious, promising, immediate and enormous increase to player autonomy and content, as thousands of players "fly from the NPC nest" and establish themselves in player corps, or make their own. This is exactly the kind of hard love incentive and action the game needs atm, inorder to promote more playercontent.

Some wont like it, and maybe leave the game. Thats unfortunate. Its certainly a hard chsnge to adapt to. But on the otherhand, the potential diversity in player autonomity and content could herald a new golden age (in HS and elsewhere they might emmigrate to) of independantly motivated individuals shaping and fighting for their future in new ways.

In anycase, the result would be extremely dynamic and change the face of EVE forever, as thousands of players fly out from underneath the NPC cover, and make their future with other players instead. That alone, is a very strong argument for this.

Imo NPC corps should be wardecable (albeit at great cost, considering the amount of targets and essentially inefficient and undynamic NPC corp structure). Imo thats a good thing for the game, and returns PvP to HS. I think players leaving NPC corps to existing player corps, or forming their own, is also a good thing. All of this removes player interacrion from underneath the NPC umbrella, into player based entities.

You cling to that idea, but it's false. It's seated in the idea that people are in high sec ganking because they are bored. It's nonsense, people gank because they either like the activity on it's merits, or they like (love) extracting tears for mentally weak people (or, most likely, a bit of both).

Null is not and has never been 'all blue' despite that complain originating in 2005, and even if it was, it has nothing to do with ganking, gankers exist because high sec exists, and high sec exists because CCP (like other game developers) knows that some people need that level of 'safety' to play a video game. You could make null the most fun thing ever and as long as one 'willing to cry in local' type player exists in high sec, gankers will exist in high sec.

The idea that gankers only gank out of boredom is wrong.

And I've seen this before, the idea that only 'valuable' ships should be ganked. it's stupid, it's actually an attempt by a person posting that idea to exert control over something they dislike.

Sorry, but you don't get to dictate what other players do or why they do it, and as far as anyone can tell, "dunking on noobs" probably helps player retention rather than hurting it. That's probably because the 'dunked noob' will be angry at being dunked, and many people (especially players mentally suited to EVE online) will seek to learn from that experience or even seek revenge, if not from the player, then vicariously (by becoming someone who 'dunks' as well). An empty ship is still a ship in space in EVE online and thus fair game. Your job is to not get ganked, period.

A mining corp in my alliance ganks people in high sec and then recurits them if they show they aren't stupid cry babies, enhancing their corp AND that player's experience all at the same time.

Oh please, nullsec is nothing but one giant crying whining ball of tears over how boring it is and how bad fozzie sov is and how boring it is to grind indexes (even though those exact mechanics were suggested by those exact same people) and how there's no big fights anymore and how everyone is blueballing everyone etc.

Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of small ganks and some minor escalations here and there. Hell I was part of a fleet the other day where there were people form the same alliance on BOTH sides of the fight. People are literally baiting ganking their own supercaps they're that bored.