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Industrial Command Ship (Destroyer Size)
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Marox Calendale
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-10-12 11:48:33 UTC
Expedition frigates are very popular in WH-Space. I don´t know how often they´re used in other kinds of Space, so I am just asking for (Shattered) WH´s. We use to harvest Gas in C4 or higher and while you´re able to bring in Orcas for boosting we mostly use Gnosis instead of, because they don´t take as much Mass as an orca does and can also be fitted with Harvesters and 1 Mining Link.
But you also can´t bring Gnosis into Shatered WH´s as all connections to them are only frig size holes. This is why I am asking for a smaller Mining Boost Ship not larger than Destroyer Size, so you can use them in Shattered Holes. It could have less boosts than an Orca and similar to Orca and Roqual it could have no ability to mine by itself (but I think this is something which should be changed at Orca and Roqual, too).
The Rest could be similar to the Expedition Frigates (Ore & Ice Hold, (Covert) Cloak, Probe Launcher etc.)

What do you think about it?
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#2 - 2015-10-12 12:44:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Samillian
It would not only be an awful lot of work for a very small niche but I doubt that it would be likely to happen especially when you consider that there have been some calls for T2 frigate logi and destroyer size command ships for PvP for a very long time now and no movement in that direction.

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Anthar Thebess
#3 - 2015-10-12 12:54:02 UTC
Universal destroyer command ship - why not.
Don't give it bonus to any of the links , and allow to mount 1 link as default , 2 if you put faction fit and never ever 3 links.

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DrysonBennington
Eagle's Talon's
#4 - 2015-10-12 15:28:00 UTC  |  Edited by: DrysonBennington
Marox Calendale wrote:
Expedition frigates are very popular in WH-Space. I don´t know how often they´re used in other kinds of Space, so I am just asking for (Shattered) WH´s. We use to harvest Gas in C4 or higher and while you´re able to bring in Orcas for boosting we mostly use Gnosis instead of, because they don´t take as much Mass as an orca does and can also be fitted with Harvesters and 1 Mining Link.
But you also can´t bring Gnosis into Shatered WH´s as all connections to them are only frig size holes. This is why I am asking for a smaller Mining Boost Ship not larger than Destroyer Size, so you can use them in Shattered Holes. It could have less boosts than an Orca and similar to Orca and Roqual it could have no ability to mine by itself (but I think this is something which should be changed at Orca and Roqual, too).
The Rest could be similar to the Expedition Frigates (Ore & Ice Hold, (Covert) Cloak, Probe Launcher etc.)

What do you think about it?



Your idea would promote Frigate Mining in High Sector. With CODE constantly attacking Mining Barges yet hardly able to ever catch an alert Venture or Prospect the ship you are discussing would be great for small corporations and the larger ones as well in all sectors of space conducting mining exploration operations. Where a small fleet would be more welcomed than the bulky Barge and Orca fleets.

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Haatakan Reppola
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2015-10-12 15:36:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Haatakan Reppola
Anthar Thebess wrote:
Universal destroyer command ship - why not.
Don't give it bonus to any of the links , and allow to mount 1 link as default , 2 if you put faction fit and never ever 3 links.


3 links are not that bad, give it the same 3 link role as CS + fitting bonus to mining links and tight cpu/pg (faction/ds for any tank+combat links)

The ability to fit a decent tank compared to other frig/destroyers and 3 mining links, or use fitting mods/rigs to get paper tank + combat links (all unbonused links, or small mining bonus at best)

EDIT:
The destoyer with most PG (Coercer, correct me if im wrong) can get enough PG to fit 2 links (t2 rig / officer mods dont make room for 3rd), so keeping it to 2 or less combat rigs is very easy with the fitting room destroyers normaly have. Even Coercer only have 106.25 PG with no implant/mods so the highest PG destroyer need a fitting mod or implant to fit even a single T2. This means its easy to balance around strong fitting bonus for mining links and very limited use of combat links
Anthar Thebess
#6 - 2015-10-13 11:59:02 UTC
No the point is that smaller ship should not perform as good as bigger version.

For example :
Command ship provide stronger links than T3 crusier , so this command destroyer cannot be better in terms of link strength than T3 cruiser.


Overall links are broken, and need change.
For me this can be easily managed by removing fleet command skill and changing how wing command works ( eg boosts only to 2 first squads).
But this is totally different topic.

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Lugh Crow-Slave
#7 - 2015-10-13 12:02:11 UTC
Last I looked only 25% of shattered holes are frig only.

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Helios Panala
#8 - 2015-10-13 14:08:06 UTC
A destroyer sized hull designed by ORE to aid its line of expedition frigates in places where an Orca wouldn't be possible or economical only to be appropriated and misused as a combat command ship by Capsuleers, the idea does have appeal.