Player Features and Ideas Discussion

And by "Rifter" he means the post-nerf Rifter... not the once proud ship we used to fly.

One thing and only one thing

Open da ******* door of captain quarter and let people walk in station to take some coffee look outside the big window, and let people board structures and explore them and Why not let us go on the surface of planets ( foot or in fregate or in fighters).

This would kill all space not yours, or empire. You know it and I know it.

Christ man, you'd go around popping these things for lulz just because you could. It would reduce null to even more of a wasteland.

Seriously, all this would do is slaughter all content anywhere near you and force people to stage from low sec but by then it would be academic, no-one would bother.

Ed: And even if you did do this, you'd then maintain a LS storage - because not doing so is insanity.

Why not just get the game full of undocked ships instead? What's the suggestion for how that is less pertinent?

Yes, those Ideas are not perfect nor are they suppose to be but I didn't meant to have all those ideas at the same time.

- About the space, I really do feel that accessibility is a problem. I don't think jump range nerf and jump fatigue did anything for the power projection. Still a few big alliances holding the space but now we don't even get to see them around unless they plan and prepare for a few months because of the new logistic of it. It's just another reason for them to stay in their system/area of the game. My idea are radical but they are just a base line to bring solutions.

- About Jump Clones, I think it would be a welcome change by itlsef in the current state of the game where, because of a screw up somewhere, we don't need standing for clones anymore. Why not make it easier for everybody to play with the character they like in the area they like in a easier way.

- And finally, about those PI/Explo skills. As I stated before, I personally see them has side activities. Perhaps some peoples are doing PI and explo has a main activity in the game but that 's not my point. It's just to facilitate the new bros into getting some ways to make isk and explore which are basics to this game. Make them some money and make them explore. I never said anything about manufacturing, mining, etc. I believe they are main activities in the game and I do have an alt with PI & scanning trained so.. no, It's not because I don't have them. :) Perhaps another reason to explore for the new bros could be exploration mission and a good tutorial to PI.

Bring your ideas to the plate man. Nothing wrong with wishing things to change but It'd be nice to actually have thought about solutions.

Half the speed boost and signature penalty from MWD's and remove webs altogether - eve combat is either balls-to-the-wall fast or absolutely static, and it could be a nice happy in-between.

Oh, and everything baltec1 said too.

Oh, I don't want to remove the timer all together. I'm thinking more like a 12hr cooldown instead of 20, I think with skills. Just so it's possible to start your day and do a few hours of missionning, ratting, exploring or fleet and still be able to attend a different activity in the evening or tend to your PI or else later in the day. I'm sure it would help people with their time schedule. Of course if you run 6 accounts with different skills and task it's irrelevant I suppose but here's an example...

Someone who's a day worker can spend 30min to an hour missionning , ratting, recruiting people for his corp or whatnot at around 7am. Go to work, come back, have supper with his family, girlfriend or friends and by 7pm or 8pm, he can go and jump back to Null, Low or High sec to do whatever his corps do in the evening.

Perhaps you guys are right about power projections. I personnaly works quite a lot. Shift work. And I'm currently using multi character training so I can do two activities the same day. With the current jump clone cooldown, I can only do either or with my main character.

1) provide an actual NPE and training and quit expecting people to just figure everything out. Sure, leave the advanced stuff for players to figure out, but not even explaining to them something as basic as weapon types is just ridiculous.

2) the whole sandbox thing is nice and all, but some control needs to be taken from the players. There's too much corruption in HS when there's no actual controlling entity. People are dead set on ruining your game, as opposed to playing theirs.

3) just go back to the drawings by board on SOV. As it sits, there's no conflict drivers, leading to complacency.
It's too easy to maintain vast amounts of numbers and SOV, which leads to it being too difficult to start a new SOV.
These are backwards. It should be more difficult to hold large amounts of SOV, and easier to start SOV.

4) the game punishes new.
New player, new corp, new alliance, new SOV, new structure, new WH, whatever the case - if you include new with whatever you're about to say, it might as well come with a swift kick in the nuts. Even something as simple as moving to a new station in HS is taxing.
This is one of Eve's biggest failures.
There's little incentive to be a new player in Eve because they make it uneccessary difficult, and there's no incentive to do anything new in Eve because there's almost no benefit I doing so. This is especially true if you don't already have the skills for what you're wanting to do.
Example.. I run level 4 missions.. Why run lvl 5's when I'm just going to spend all my time trying not to get blown up by other players? Why do exploration when the chance at payout is extremely random and it again leads me out to where everyone tries to blow me up? Why run combat sites when they're again just going to lead me out where everyone wants to blow me up?
Hell, why even bother going outside HS to blow people up, when you're just going to get blown up all the time? Example being CODE. Why should I want SOV, WH, or LS system control when the only thing different is people wanting to blow me up all the time?

Someone is probably going to harass me for Number 4, but it's the truth.
Why would anyone is Eve want to do anything outside of HS when you just end up spending all your time trying not to get blown up??
And if you're not spending all your time getting blown up, it's because you are part of a large entity with vast control.
And no, joining a large entity in order to do something should never be the solution, otherwise you end up with a game that has no choice but to fail. There's a reason why governments try to stop monopolies from happening, as no one else can exist with a large entity holding all the cards.
As of right now, Eve is like a game of poker.. The larger your stack of chips, the better, but eventually the game will be over.
However, due to the players having so much control, we are at a point where people are rarely putting chips on the table because there's no reason to.
The only reason to compete in Eve is literally just because you want to destroy what other people have. You don't gain much, if anything, from their destruction, so you literally just do it because you can and are callous enough to treat others as lulz.
This sheer disrespect for others bleeds into the forums where players are douches because they came be.
They come in saying no just because the word exists and bash ideas with statements like we don't need this, or what role does this fill, or some other comment that ignores the fact that this is a freaking video game and nothing in it would exist had CCP used their logic when creating the game.

Which brings me to number
5) Eve needs a community that isn't full of a bunch of a$$holes just because the game allows them to be, and actually makes being so easier than being kind, caring, or even oblivious of the welfare of others.
See, I'm addicted to Eve's method of progression. However, it is the player base and the fact that being a douche is the easiest way to play Eve, that hinders its growth the most.

I mean, even wardecs are best used to be a douche as opposed to being a method to conflict resolution.
Not to mention, you can start a war and then just log off and onto an alt toon to do something else, until a situation arises that is heavily in your favor, while the defender is best suited to just not log in...
I mean seriously.. How good of a strategy is it that both sides of a war are best played by not playing at all?
And how good of a marketing strategy is it that the goal of many players is to actually make people quit playing Eve, and this tactic is not only allowed, but basically smiled soon by CCP.
I mean, how many games I you think will survive if their whole intent is to be the biggest douche possible and be the last person to quit?
Eve can be won. Someone like NC/PL or some other massive entity could literally smash through Eve and force everyone to quit and go play hello kitty, in a year, and no amount of resetting would ever fix that, as no one would come back.

What I'm basically getting at with this wall of text is, CCP needs to stop treating the players as content and instead provide content that becomes a conflict driver. This is because in treating the players as if they're the content, you're taking away any incentive to fight other than to be a douche, where the only goal is to get the most kills. That's basically that worlds largest and longest call of duty match, as opposed to an ever lasting MMO world.

Delete the forums so doofuses like yourself can find another hobby other than posting abhorrent posts, one after another.

Ah but the jump range and jump fatigue did reduce power projection by a lot. All of the cap ship pilots I know are getting more use out of their investments than in the past because there is significantly less risk of being hot dropped.
The big alliances are still big because well they are big and they can hold their territory against all comers and that is the way SOV nul is supposed to work. However the critical point is, and you mentioned this they are staying couped up in their territory instead of hot dropping all over the EvE Universe at will because of the power projection nerfs. Seems like it is working as intended to me.


We will have to disagree forever on this one. The timer and the possibility that you will be in the wrong area or in the wrong clone is an intended part of the clone jump mechanic. The removal of jump clone standings was not intentional, it was an accident that CCP decided not to undue. http://community.eveonline.com/news/news-channels/eve-online-news/clarification-regarding-jump-clones-standings/
Wanting them to be easily available to all should not be confused with they want them to be used more often and CCP stated this in a dev blog not all that far back.


Discussing ideas to change the game is somewhat useless as there are always 2 sides to everything and ganking and war decs are usually the most obvious example of this.

The standard this is the "Features and Ideas" section where people post ideas and others post their opposition to them. This is not the let's all get happy and only post positive things forum.

If it wil make you happy, I may or may not agree with any of these but based on the simple fact that I have seen them posted around the forums lately they do represent ideas on how to improve the game.

As the aggressor their needs to be a max limit placed on how many active war decs they can have.

Ganking needs to be removed from the game entirely it serves no useful purpose.

The totally worthless "bounties" system needs to be removed entirely, replacement with something that could facilitate and actual bounty hunting profession in the game would be nice but not required.

To some degree ALL materials needed for ALL manufacturing should be available in ALL areas of space, no more you can only get some things in nul, or in WH.

Since there are always calls for the removal of high sec we could easily ask for the derivative of that and call for the removal of low and nul.