EVE Alliance Tournament Discussion

First off, the two people who have been ruled as cheaters should be banned from the tournament, they deserve everything they had coming to them. That goes for anyone else who had proof of this and said nothing, unfortunately, they were smarter, so they live to cheat another day. I hope none of them find homes in a legitimate team however.

That being said, I think giving everyone who had an imp or fiend negative wallets that sold them is a bit harsh. Let me try and explain why. I don't know many of the hydra team, im sure many of them are cool guys, but the only one I've had any real contact with is Suitonia, so I'm going to use him as an example.

He loves the tournament, and he's a cool guy, i'm sad he's had this done to him, because it means less content from a content creator. It's not really fair.

However, when someone from another alliance knows cheating has been going on for several years, and not just one person, most likely hundreds have known, you either have to be intentionally blind not to ask questions, or intentionally stupid. I know this, because suitonia is a smart guy, and if I could see this, he must have too.

What would I do if I was in his position? I might have stayed quiet. I doubt it, but if I did, I certainly wouldn't have sold my prizes with so much flak coming at my alliance, even if i had no idea whether my suspicions were correct. Chances are also, if I thought my team captains were intentionally breaking the rules, I would have gotten out of that alliance, or at least their tournament group, very quickly.

So he was foolish, and took a risk, I can only assume because he had no actual proof that his alliance was cheating. You can't really blame him for that. I would stick with PL most likely, I've been here a long time. But that doesn't mean he should be nuked like this.

This is why i suggest that both proven cheaters should take the entire wallet hit for the prizes sold. Considering kadesh's crappy behaviour after the fact he got called out, as far as I'm concerned, he should at the very least take the entire wallet hit, if not banned outright.

This would mean some genuine cheaters would slip through the cracks and get their isk back, and that sucks, but after this has come out, I doubt any of them will be able to get on another ethical team in their lives, and if they're all in one place, then we know where to look for foul play. They know who they are, we know who they are, and just because there was no proof, CCP knows who they are too, and will be watching them like hawks.

Most importantly though, it would give people who made one mistake, and got utterly burned from it, a chance to compete next year, hopefully joining another team (why any of the ethical pilots would stick with hydra now is beyond me). They don't deserve to get punished for breaking no rules, and you're making them guilty by default without any proof they had any idea this was going on. This is not fair CCP, and it certainly isn't impartial.

So yeah, they might have had a feeling of what was going on in some way, but they didn't actually break any rules. Don't burn them for it.

Depends which AT you're talking about. I personally, have competed in 4 finals and won them.

How many AT's has blue star airlines won exactly?

I'm sure not all of them knew exactly what was going on, but as you pointed out you have to be intentionally stupid to not realise what Kadesh was doing

I have a feeling many Hydra/Camel players didn't really want to know

Yeah I agree, but then I would argue what you guys were doing with nulli was a bit more than just cooperation. I'm not saying you did anything against the rules, you obviously didnt, but maybe they thought what they had going on was similar to your situation.

If you found out for instance HUN had been cheating, and all you thought you had going on was an agreement to cooperate, even though from my perspective it could well be seen as more than that (I assume you know what im talking about when I say this), then you could well be in the situation they are in now. I don't think that would be fair, you shouldnt be punished for not looking into something more, even if you should have.

I don't want people being punshed for doing something stupid, everyone acts dumb from time to time. Maybe they were willfully ignorant of the situation, but that doesn't make them bad people, it just means they made a dumb choice to be willingly ignorant. They didnt set out to break any rules, and for someone like Suitonia, I dont think he ever would.

I think it comes down a lot to trust, and they trusted the wrong person to be willfully ignorant with. I know a lot of **** goes on in my alliance that I'm willully ignorant of, I know because I used to be a part of it. It didn't break EULA, and we never broke tournament rules. However, hypothetically if something happened in the high command channels which im willingly ignorant of did break the EULA, I'd have no idea until CCP investigated it. The difference is, I've yet to be proven wrong on the statement 'PL FC's is good people', so up till that point, I will keep placing my trust in them and keep being willfully ignorant of certain things.

I know ~longpost~ again, but I think it's important in this case to explain why I don't feel some of the hydra team should be punished. It could happen to me one day, and it would be as unfair if it happened to me (though i very much doubt it will happen), as it is right now.

I'm not comparing you. I'm saying if you weren't the captain, and were a grunt in the HK team, im sure you didnt tell those grunts everything that was going on. They would have remained willfully ignorant to protect certain information.

I said you weren't cheating, I know this with almost certainty, but you did do similar things which weren't rulebreaking which kadesh also did. A lot of teams did, its just you're the team I had the most intel on this year.

If I genuinely thought you were doing anything which was unethical, you would be questioning right now whether your team had a leak. As it stands, that will have to worry nulli until next year, because I don't particularly like them.

Sounds like someone was running low on funds and is trying to cover their tracks.

Disagree.