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Reality Check Please.

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Indahmawar Fazmarai
#41 - 2015-10-08 13:48:28 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I have seen much higher priced artwork, if I had 2k to drop on it I would pay, as the Nyx was, and to a large extent still is, my favorite ship.

For other high priced art look ay this. https://www.bluethumb.com.au/leonlester/Artwork/Energy-Ecosystem


It's not the price of a handcrafted artwork.

It's the fact that they're licensing artworks instead of stuff affordable to their hundreds of thousands of players from half hundred countries in the world... some very away from the US both geographically and in purchasing power.

It's their IP, if they want to license it for 500 x 500 $ instead of 50,000 x 5 $ that's their decission to make.

And ours is to judge whether that is approachable or arrogant.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#42 - 2015-10-08 14:22:29 UTC
Doesn't seem that much, for a sculpture of that size.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#43 - 2015-10-08 14:33:28 UTC
How much in PLEX?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.

Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-10-08 15:00:55 UTC
You could buy 2 pairs or jeans or a 2foot model with some refrigerator magnets in it.


Im buying new jeans for winter
Salvos Rhoska
#45 - 2015-10-08 15:07:20 UTC
Fools and their money are soon parted.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#46 - 2015-10-08 16:12:43 UTC
oh well, guess i'll go to fan fest instead.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.

Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2015-10-08 20:21:01 UTC
Some people and their collectoring fanaticism... Why would one pay so much money for a scale model?
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#48 - 2015-10-08 20:37:46 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I have seen much higher priced artwork, if I had 2k to drop on it I would pay, as the Nyx was, and to a large extent still is, my favorite ship.

For other high priced art look ay this. https://www.bluethumb.com.au/leonlester/Artwork/Energy-Ecosystem


It's not the price of a handcrafted artwork.

It's the fact that they're licensing artworks instead of stuff affordable to their hundreds of thousands of players from half hundred countries in the world... some very away from the US both geographically and in purchasing power.

It's their IP, if they want to license it for 500 x 500 $ instead of 50,000 x 5 $ that's their decission to make.

And ours is to judge whether that is approachable or arrogant.
There is no necessary exclusivity in licensing an IP at 5$, $50 0r $500. Nor is it wrong to cater to that $500 crowd should they exist.

Not every product need be intended for every person who plays the game. Some have no interest in physical goods at any price point, but that doesn't translate to the idea that there should be no physical goods.

Many IP's can and do produce goods with a wide range of price points, none more "arrogant" than any other.
Marsha Mallow
#49 - 2015-10-08 21:01:39 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Some people and their collectoring fanaticism... Why would one pay so much money for a scale model?

It depends on your disposable income and your level of interest I suppose. I went through a numismatic phase when I had some cash to spare so instead of buying loads of different types, saved up and spent £500 on a Larissa coin. It's finer than all of the ones listed there (similar to the bottom one), is properly certified and is unlikely to drop in value. I spent a while researching Greek coins and that is one of the more affordable/accessible, plus it is a 2400 year old piece of art. It's tiny in comparison with the Nyx model - but so what? I wasn't paying by weight. I didn't discuss it with anyone because it was my money to spend at the time. Although I showed a friend (who spends £500 on handbags, using her hubbies CC) and she sneered, then showed my mum and she thinks it's gorgeous. Doesn't mean I splurge like that all the time on crap, or have a house stuffed full of artwork. But what's the point of working if you don't occasionally spend your money on things that please you? Each to their own v0v

Doesn't bother me that this thing is pricey, and I don't get what the point is in whining about it. If it was an unlimited run, I could understand concerns. I hope some cheaper stuff is released ongoing, but tbf you can get the CE, musterbrand stuff or a poster so it's not like there's nothing else available.

Although if I could commission Ralph to make me an EvE thing... or any player, that'd be cool too. I'd rather buy EvE art from players whose designs are approved by CCP for release - like with the Rixx posters.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#50 - 2015-10-08 21:15:55 UTC
I will wait for full official info as well. As a collector of models and such, I have some more expensive large scale displays. Many of which are similar to their limited run listed. I guess the main bit for most people is the maglev system and lighting. How that works, etc. and why it costs so much.

To have comparison for that price... I bought a quite nice vintage motorcycle for that much money or could build a fairly respectable computer, a high detail and large scale RC plane with jet engine, etc.

So for that money, would need to be big and justification of the lev. More likely the cost would be due to high detail casting and such a small run. The marketplace for a large eve Mothership display is quite niche....

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Davir Sometaww
Spooks On Pings
SE7EN-SINS
#51 - 2015-10-08 23:47:46 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
I have seen much higher priced artwork, if I had 2k to drop on it I would pay, as the Nyx was, and to a large extent still is, my favorite ship.

For other high priced art look ay this. https://www.bluethumb.com.au/leonlester/Artwork/Energy-Ecosystem


It's not the price of a handcrafted artwork.

It's the fact that they're licensing artworks instead of stuff affordable to their hundreds of thousands of players from half hundred countries in the world... some very away from the US both geographically and in purchasing power.

It's their IP, if they want to license it for 500 x 500 $ instead of 50,000 x 5 $ that's their decission to make.

And ours is to judge whether that is approachable or arrogant.
There is no necessary exclusivity in licensing an IP at 5$, $50 0r $500. Nor is it wrong to cater to that $500 crowd should they exist.

Not every product need be intended for every person who plays the game. Some have no interest in physical goods at any price point, but that doesn't translate to the idea that there should be no physical goods.

Many IP's can and do produce goods with a wide range of price points, none more "arrogant" than any other.


Its alright, when there's a will there is a way.

Hello China.
Nyu Kaminari
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-10-09 01:02:45 UTC
While the price is high, I have to consider if its' value will increase over time. A small percent of eve's subscribers will be able to afford it, though with 500 to be in circulation and a potential interested player base of 30,000-50,000 ; It would leave likewise up to 1% of EVE's community available to purchase it.

If that figure is correct, up to 1% of us can afford it. In this case, not me.

If 2500 were to be released at $400, in lower quality, only up to 5% of EVE's players would be able to acquire the model and so on... At some point, the level of interest that the fan-base has for the model would recede under the amount produced and the model by then would be a far lower quality.

If only 500 are going to be made, CCP probably (guessing) is uncomfortable with taking the risk of producing more and that's just the way I see it.
Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#53 - 2015-10-09 07:42:27 UTC
Just how little were people expecting to pay for a studio-scale replica?

The DeAgostini piecework Millenium Falcon runs to about $1500 and that's going to be based on a much larger market and therefore higher production runs... That's effectively the mass-market option whereas the Nyx is the bespoke end.
ArmyOfMe
Stay Frosty.
A Band Apart.
#54 - 2015-10-09 19:44:07 UTC
BirdStrike wrote:
Tau Cabalander wrote:
If you thought the price was bad, wait until you see the shipping and import charges.

"Batteries not included." I hope it is installed. [USPS: "Lithium batteries packed with equipment and lithium batteries sent separate from equipment are prohibited."]


Just light a cyno in your front garden. Instant delivery.

Considering current jumpranges and fatigue it would take a few years just to arrive here in norway then Lol

GM Guard > I must ask you not to use the petition option like this again but i personally would finish the chicken sandwich first so it won´t go to waste. The spaghetti will keep and you can use it the next time you get hungry. Best regards.

Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#55 - 2015-10-09 22:08:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Nicolai Serkanner
CCP Falcon wrote:
This is a placeholder price. Triforce are testing their website.

Might be good to wait for an official announcement Blink



Honest question. there are thousands of pumped up EvE players who want to get their hands on one of these models. What kind of idiot sets a "placeholder price" of $ 2000 and doesn't expect an uproar? Seriously? ( and nobody knew it was a placeholder price! )
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#56 - 2015-10-09 22:13:27 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
Some people and their collectoring fanaticism... Why would one pay so much money for a scale model?

It depends on your disposable income and your level of interest I suppose. I went through a numismatic phase when I had some cash to spare so instead of buying loads of different types, saved up and spent £500 on a Larissa coin. It's finer than all of the ones listed there (similar to the bottom one), is properly certified and is unlikely to drop in value. I spent a while researching Greek coins and that is one of the more affordable/accessible, plus it is a 2400 year old piece of art. It's tiny in comparison with the Nyx model - but so what? I wasn't paying by weight. I didn't discuss it with anyone because it was my money to spend at the time. Although I showed a friend (who spends £500 on handbags, using her hubbies CC) and she sneered, then showed my mum and she thinks it's gorgeous. Doesn't mean I splurge like that all the time on crap, or have a house stuffed full of artwork. But what's the point of working if you don't occasionally spend your money on things that please you? Each to their own v0v

Doesn't bother me that this thing is pricey, and I don't get what the point is in whining about it. If it was an unlimited run, I could understand concerns. I hope some cheaper stuff is released ongoing, but tbf you can get the CE, musterbrand stuff or a poster so it's not like there's nothing else available.

Although if I could commission Ralph to make me an EvE thing... or any player, that'd be cool too. I'd rather buy EvE art from players whose designs are approved by CCP for release - like with the Rixx posters.


Since when is a regular coin a piece of art?
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#57 - 2015-10-09 22:21:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:

Since when is a regular coin a piece of art?

Since i917 when marcel du champf (or however you spell that heathens name) plonked a ****ing porcelain urinal in a gallery and said it was art.

all bets off since then, literally anything can be "art"

feckin muppet (du champf not you)

edit: context
Marsha Mallow
#58 - 2015-10-09 22:32:19 UTC
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Since when is a regular coin a piece of art?

Ancient coins might be classed as art by art historians, or those interested in material culture.

Tell you what. Rather than you making snotty remarks in all the topics I've posted in, why don't we just throwdown, take off our tops and go for it right here. I'll go first: you're being an argumentative ****.

Your turn.

Ripard Teg > For the morons in the room:

Sweets > U can dd my face any day

Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#59 - 2015-10-09 22:36:12 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:
Nicolai Serkanner wrote:
Since when is a regular coin a piece of art?

Ancient coins might be classed as art by art historians, or those interested in material culture.

Tell you what. Rather than you making snotty remarks in all the topics I've posted in, why don't we just throwdown, take off our tops and go for it right here. I'll go first: you're being an argumentative ****.

Your turn.


Dear marshmallow ... I have posted in numerous topics this evening and your posts have been hardly noteworthy to be honest. Just check my posting history.

Coinage in general isn't considered art. Deal with it.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#60 - 2015-10-09 22:38:06 UTC
Marsha Mallow wrote:

Although if I could commission Ralph to make me an EvE thing

Soon™

have many obligations before i can indulge you but believe me i would very much like to