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Live on SiSi. RIP Hyperdunking. Bears win again. Pour one for Globbyy

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Kinis Deren
Mosquito Squadron
D0GS OF WAR
#21 - 2015-10-08 19:15:50 UTC
CCP are muscling in on the ganking permit market. HTFU CODE/goonies, put some mayo where CCP touched you, adapt or ---->H1Z1
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Two Vargurs one Hole
#22 - 2015-10-08 19:19:06 UTC
lol

Not even surprised anymore.
Dan Seavey Allier
Seavy Acquisitions
#23 - 2015-10-08 19:38:20 UTC
ImYourMom wrote:
The problem ain't hyperdunkING the problem.is being able to bump. I mean seriously if I rammed my ship into a bigger ship.it would just explode into little pieces.. bumping is the most ridiculous mechanic in eve



Yup. Should be wicked shield damage at the very least to the bumper, and damage as well to the bumped minus a % resist.

CCP is looking to Shepard the New Players, and not have them discouraged by Code or their ILk.

However they would be better ahead having "Daycare constellations" where concord is really heavy handed to griefers instead nerfing all of high sec.

Code provides a pretty good service of punishing the afk and the auto pilots. This is a good thing.

All of their other acts of malice are so easily avoided, it's really only the foolish or the lazy that makes them relevant at all.


Dan


Honey Never Sleeps. - John Russell
Cancel Align NOW
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#24 - 2015-10-08 19:40:44 UTC
Dan Seavey Allier wrote:
ImYourMom wrote:
The problem ain't hyperdunkING the problem.is being able to bump. I mean seriously if I rammed my ship into a bigger ship.it would just explode into little pieces.. bumping is the most ridiculous mechanic in eve



Yup. Should be wicked shield damage at the very least to the bumper, and damage as well to the bumped minus a % resist.

CCP is looking to Shepard the New Players, and not have them discouraged by Code or their ILk.

However they would be better ahead having "Daycare constellations" where concord is really heavy handed to griefers instead nerfing all of high sec.

Code provides a pretty good service of punishing the afk and the auto pilots. This is a good thing.

All of their other acts of malice are so easily avoided, it's really only the foolish or the lazy that makes them relevant at all.


Dan





Bolded and underlined the mistake I spotted in your post.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#25 - 2015-10-08 19:48:48 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP are muscling in on the ganking permit market. HTFU CODE/goonies, put some mayo where CCP touched you, adapt or ---->H1Z1


I don't really plan on going into this thread, since as usual it is the wrong decision and CCP is wrecking the sandbox in order to coddle the weak...

But hearing HTFU from anyone in MoA is hilarious. You lot poured out more tears than I have ever seen before when they finally took the Entosis away from interceptors.

Anyone with your alliance tag should never use the term HTFU.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#26 - 2015-10-08 19:51:34 UTC
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP are muscling in on the ganking permit market. HTFU CODE/goonies, put some mayo where CCP touched you, adapt or ---->H1Z1


wut? considering nerfing hyper dunking does nothing to the normal operations (ie warping 30+ talos/cattys on a freighter and blaping it) of CODE. or Goons. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few that do hyper dunking in each group, but hardly a general nerf to either group.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#27 - 2015-10-08 19:53:03 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
More seriously, I've come to realize something that I actually don't like about CCP. They have in recent years shown this tendency to reward weakness and nerf innovation. The 1st time i experienced this was when I was a member of Gallente FW and some guys hired mercs to tank the faction police in Nourvekaiken while a group of us ransakced the system. It was fun as hell and it lead to a Caldari counter-raid that caused a whole bunch of tears in Villore. In other words it was great and cool and fun.

And CCP nerfed it within a week... It's like them saying "don't come up with interesting ways to do things", like when they nerfed skynet which killed my "rat with a tanked ecm bursting fight assigned hauler and laugh at afk-cloakers/hot droppers" method.\
Oh well, I've compensated (1600 mm plate Rapid light FoF/smartbombing prophecy takes forever for stealth bombers to kill btw Big smile) but it would be nice if CCP stopped nerfing creativity.

I don't think this is fair. I would expect CCP to nerf innovation when that innovation is effectively changing game design. In this instance, hyperdunking was a very clever innovation but was certainly not an intended direction.

Having said that, I am not convinced that making highsec safer is the best decision. But changing such fundamental balance should always be a deliberate game design choice rather than being left up to the vagaries of poor feature design.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-10-08 19:54:03 UTC
Guys. Doesn't this totally nerf gate ganking too?
I have a 2-3 shot thrashe shuttle/r pod gank alt and a thorax t1 indy gank alt.

After i gank i need to board another ship like noobship and then get concord to leave the gate you just ganked and then pull them to the station.

Else next time ANYONE tries to gank at the gate they get insta concordered cuz they are still on grid and remain there for hours.

So less you are using alpha tornadoes guess if you need to gank at gate.
Sit in shame for 15mins in station.
Undock in noobship, pull concord to station from gate.
Sit in ahame another 15mins.
THEN gank again?

Effectively DOUBLING the time between gate ganks for vexors/thoraxes???

Please gankers give me hope/way to bypass this
Ravaging Lust
Doomheim
#29 - 2015-10-08 19:55:17 UTC
I support changes to help with player retention, hardcore players are not the only players that would like to enjoy the game
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-10-08 19:57:21 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP are muscling in on the ganking permit market. HTFU CODE/goonies, put some mayo where CCP touched you, adapt or ---->H1Z1


wut? considering nerfing hyper dunking does nothing to the normal operations (ie warping 30+ talos/cattys on a freighter and blaping it) of CODE. or Goons. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few that do hyper dunking in each group, but hardly a general nerf to either group.

It kills paranoid loyd style ganking. Thoraxes ganking t1 indys cuz he cant pull conxord from gate for extra 15mins. Then get another 15min timer. Then gank again.

Effectively doubling criminal timer/time between gate ganks cuz cant kill a t1 indy with a thorax with concord still at the gate grid
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2015-10-08 19:58:13 UTC
Ravaging Lust wrote:
I support changes to help with player retention, hardcore players are not the only players that would like to enjoy the game

So many noobs afking in freaking freighters huh?
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#32 - 2015-10-08 19:59:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Dan Seavey Allier wrote:
Should be wicked shield damage at the very least to the bumper, and damage as well to the bumped minus a % resist.

CCP is looking to Shepard the New Players, and not have them discouraged by Code or their ILk.

New players don't fly Freighters. This has nothing to do with new players.

Additionally, there has been a lot of discussion on changing bumping and applying damage is not a solution, for many reasons.
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#33 - 2015-10-08 20:00:44 UTC
How can anyone NOT see hyperdunking as an exploit?

I'm all for a good gank, where you have to measure up your target, figure out what you need in terms of DPS, get the right ship and friends if need be, warp to target, and BAM! Dead.

Hyperdunking is basically, "Duh, I don't have enough to gank this target. I need to figure out a new way to do it without have to rely or interact with other people." Exploits game mechanics so only 3 toons are needed, uses alts to bump and seed ships, one ship does all the damage and takes the GCC. Seriously, it's an MMO; gang up with other people and take down the whales.

Ganking the big targets isn't supposed to be a solo activity, but that is what hyperdunking makes it into.

Exploit game mechanics = CCP overreaction.


Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#34 - 2015-10-08 20:09:34 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
How can anyone NOT see hyperdunking as an exploit?


Because it is literally on the list of "NOT exploits."

That's how.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Tonemaster B
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#35 - 2015-10-08 20:11:18 UTC
Haha no more Hyperdorking!


Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#36 - 2015-10-08 20:15:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Hengle Teron
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Dan Seavey Allier wrote:
Should be wicked shield damage at the very least to the bumper, and damage as well to the bumped minus a % resist.

CCP is looking to Shepard the New Players, and not have them discouraged by Code or their ILk.

New players don't fly Freighters. This has nothing to do with new players.

Additionally, there has been a lot of discussion on changing bumping and applying damage is not a solution, for many reasons.

That would be funny. Freighter killed by a group of freighters bumping it till death.

Also, tbh, Hyperdunking is one of those things I don't really care if the remove it. Get some people together to gank, and not killing a freighter for hours.
Hengle Teron
Red Sky Morning
The Amarr Militia.
#37 - 2015-10-08 20:16:35 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP are muscling in on the ganking permit market. HTFU CODE/goonies, put some mayo where CCP touched you, adapt or ---->H1Z1


wut? considering nerfing hyper dunking does nothing to the normal operations (ie warping 30+ talos/cattys on a freighter and blaping it) of CODE. or Goons. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few that do hyper dunking in each group, but hardly a general nerf to either group.

It kills paranoid loyd style ganking. Thoraxes ganking t1 indys cuz he cant pull conxord from gate for extra 15mins. Then get another 15min timer. Then gank again.

Effectively doubling criminal timer/time between gate ganks cuz cant kill a t1 indy with a thorax with concord still at the gate grid

It doesn't say you can't undock while criminal.
Paranoid Loyd
#38 - 2015-10-08 20:19:03 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP are muscling in on the ganking permit market. HTFU CODE/goonies, put some mayo where CCP touched you, adapt or ---->H1Z1


wut? considering nerfing hyper dunking does nothing to the normal operations (ie warping 30+ talos/cattys on a freighter and blaping it) of CODE. or Goons. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few that do hyper dunking in each group, but hardly a general nerf to either group.

It kills paranoid loyd style ganking. Thoraxes ganking t1 indys cuz he cant pull conxord from gate for extra 15mins. Then get another 15min timer. Then gank again.

Effectively doubling criminal timer/time between gate ganks cuz cant kill a t1 indy with a thorax with concord still at the gate grid

Hardly, I am a thinker not a whiner. It took me about two seconds to come up with a solution.

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#39 - 2015-10-08 20:21:30 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:

Hardly, I am a thinker not a whiner. It took me about two seconds to come up with a solution.


Pretty sure I know what it is, too.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#40 - 2015-10-08 20:22:57 UTC
Hengle Teron wrote:
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Kinis Deren wrote:
CCP are muscling in on the ganking permit market. HTFU CODE/goonies, put some mayo where CCP touched you, adapt or ---->H1Z1


wut? considering nerfing hyper dunking does nothing to the normal operations (ie warping 30+ talos/cattys on a freighter and blaping it) of CODE. or Goons. I wouldn't be surprised if there are a few that do hyper dunking in each group, but hardly a general nerf to either group.

It kills paranoid loyd style ganking. Thoraxes ganking t1 indys cuz he cant pull conxord from gate for extra 15mins. Then get another 15min timer. Then gank again.

Effectively doubling criminal timer/time between gate ganks cuz cant kill a t1 indy with a thorax with concord still at the gate grid

It doesn't say you can't undock while criminal.

You cant board that ship to undock in for 15mins though. Then need to go GCC to oull them away which means you cant board your 2nd thorax for another 15mins.


And you cant use alt cuz thats not YOUR concord spawn. YOUR concord spawn is waiting at gate.

I guess you could just switch gates/ like gank at an in gate then next gank at the out gate into next system while your spawn is still at the first gate.

I also think they spawn from a constalation correct? So maybe just gank next system over 2nd time? That may be wromg though but the switch gate think may work.


Still a freaking carebaby buff tho