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Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-10-07 17:46:36 UTC
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So I'm less than 6 months into EVE, and I'm finally starting to get to grips with PvP and build my skills up to a respectable level. I have Gallente Frigates V trained, along with Interceptors IV and Covops IV. I'm soon to be training Assault Frigates to IV before getting Electronic Attack Frigates to IV. I'm looking to get involved in small gang/solo PvP, and it is more than likely going to be in frigate class ships, because I'm still quite a while from getting T2 medium hybrids.

What sort of options do I have? Which ones are best for what tasks? So far I've enjoyed using a Taranis with a dual prop fit, and I'm looking forward to giving an Ishkur a go when I unlock them shortly. I've heard that Assault Frigates aren't great in the current meta, is an Ishkur still a viable ship for solo/small gang PvP? I have T2 light drones.

So far I've mainly used Tristans, which were great, but I'd like to try something that is a bit different and can perhaps take a bit more of a wellying.

Also how effective is a Keres in small gang? Is good enough to include in a fleet, or are there other options which will benefit my fleet more? I find the idea of using a ship that renders the opposition useless from a distance really cool, even if I'm not able to get solo kill mails with it.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2015-10-07 18:58:48 UTC
the keres is pretty awesome for some styles of gangs. Damps are rather strong and can turn off ships that could otherwise turn the fight. a few quick examples: 1. damp the logi that is repping your primary 2. Damp the sniper hitting your fleet 3. damp the recon that just warped in/decloaked. The warp disruptor/scrambler bonus is pretty strong in the right circumstances as well. Somtimes you might want to drop it and go full damps, other times you will want a point to hold a target at a range where it probably can't hit you. Might want a scram at times to shut off enemy mwds or stop a mjd play.

ceptors seem pretty popular, and the taranis was always a favorite. although I think the ares is the favored fleet ceptor for the range bonus.

not so sure on AFs. I always liked the ishkur but never really got around to flying one.

t1/faction frigs sounds like you know about the tristan, a lot of people seem to like the fed navy comet.

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Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-10-08 03:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Riko
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
the keres is pretty awesome for some styles of gangs. Damps are rather strong and can turn off ships that could otherwise turn the fight. a few quick examples: 1. damp the logi that is repping your primary 2. Damp the sniper hitting your fleet 3. damp the recon that just warped in/decloaked. The warp disruptor/scrambler bonus is pretty strong in the right circumstances as well. Somtimes you might want to drop it and go full damps, other times you will want a point to hold a target at a range where it probably can't hit you. Might want a scram at times to shut off enemy mwds or stop a mjd play.

ceptors seem pretty popular, and the taranis was always a favorite. although I think the ares is the favored fleet ceptor for the range bonus.

not so sure on AFs. I always liked the ishkur but never really got around to flying one.

t1/faction frigs sounds like you know about the tristan, a lot of people seem to like the fed navy comet.



Sounds pretty good.

I'm undecided about whether to go for an Enyo or an Ishkur though. People seem pretty divided on the topic. Do you know what roles each of them fills best? I'm going to assume the Enyo is more of a pure blaster brawler, and the ishkur can kite with drones?

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#4 - 2015-10-08 07:40:32 UTC
Johnny Riko wrote:
...I'm undecided about whether to go for an Enyo or an Ishkur though. People seem pretty divided on the topic. Do you know what roles each of them fills best? I'm going to assume the Enyo is more of a pure blaster brawler, and the ishkur can kite with drones?


This is a topic we would rather let you decide on. We cannot know what you like? And while assault frigate need some love they do have strenghts and weaknesses.

Maybe you even grow fond of cruisers too at some point, who knows. There is no rule that diving into pvp with a good tech one cruiser is worse than flying a tech 2 frigate.

As gallente pilot you might love the Atron and Incursus already? Your cruiser options would be the Vexor and the Thorax which are both excellent ships and before diving too deep into the tech 2 train they will have you have fun too.

Just don't disregard them. Just a few years back they were brought up in performance and aren't "weaker" than the tech2 variants, just different.

If you like drone-kiting the Ishkur is custom made for you and if not the Enyo is a fearsome blaster ship. Try both and see what you like.

That said don't disregard the "lesser" ones. Yes I already said it but I cannot stress this enough.

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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-10-08 08:47:08 UTC
best assault frigates imo are the vengeance and the hawk. they have massive tank and ok dps. well with implants and bling friend of mine gets 250 dps in a venge

thing about afs is they are slower than (all?) other frigate class ships and have been completely overshadowed by t3 destroyers
Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2015-10-08 09:23:35 UTC
for small gang, it really depends on what your buddies are flying tbh, can't give much of an input there. If they go shotgun range with blasters, a Keres is gonna be much less useful than say a Kitsune, among the EAFs, while if they go long range kite, those damps are gonna ruin many a people's day.

For solo work, i'll never not recommend cross training into amarr and small lasers, the slicer is a beast and super fun to fly.

AFs tbh i'd leave alone, they're in a sorry state, especially because of T3 dessies.

On the topic, short period goals might want to include them. While the Svipul is arguably the most popoular one atm, i'd go for the Confessor first, a small gang of those ******* with beams is very effective and super fun to fly.

Also, you can already do the comet. It's an amazing ship. You can super tank it, you can monster dps it, you can dual prop it, you can do a decently effective kite fit, you can go rails or blasters, it's exteremely versatile and a very solid ship overall
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2015-10-08 15:14:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Johnny Riko
Doctor Knuckles wrote:
for small gang, it really depends on what your buddies are flying tbh, can't give much of an input there. If they go shotgun range with blasters, a Keres is gonna be much less useful than say a Kitsune, among the EAFs, while if they go long range kite, those damps are gonna ruin many a people's day.

For solo work, i'll never not recommend cross training into amarr and small lasers, the slicer is a beast and super fun to fly.

AFs tbh i'd leave alone, they're in a sorry state, especially because of T3 dessies.

On the topic, short period goals might want to include them. While the Svipul is arguably the most popoular one atm, i'd go for the Confessor first, a small gang of those ******* with beams is very effective and super fun to fly.

Also, you can already do the comet. It's an amazing ship. You can super tank it, you can monster dps it, you can dual prop it, you can do a decently effective kite fit, you can go rails or blasters, it's exteremely versatile and a very solid ship overall



I plan on training caldari and amarr frigates V as soon as I've unlocked all the t2 frigates. And also their respective weapon systems. If I go for a t3D it will probably be the confessor or Hecate. I don't really like minmatar ships.

I know AFs are overshadowed at the moment, but I like the concept of them, and hopefully they will be buffed soon.

I'm not adverse to using cruisers, they just take much longer to be effective in. I haven't got t2 medium hybrids or drones yet, and I'm still working on t2 tank and fitting skills, so cruisers are sidelined for a while.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2015-10-08 15:24:48 UTC
It is good that u a maxing the smaller ships first. Trust me learning how to pilot those first will help u in the longrun
Estella Osoka
Cranky Bitches Who PMS
#9 - 2015-10-08 15:52:04 UTC
Train all the things to 5.
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-10-08 17:55:27 UTC
Bastion Arzi wrote:
It is good that u a maxing the smaller ships first. Trust me learning how to pilot those first will help u in the longrun


Yeah that was my reasoning. The skill requirements for all the T2 frigates are universal core skills regardless (Besides electronics upgrades). Also they are much more forgiving in how small and fast they are, and how cheap they are when they pop.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#11 - 2015-10-09 03:28:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
You'd be well served cross training into Caldari Frigates too, Goonswarm federation still uses the HarpyFleet as a core doctrine.

The Electronic Attack Frigates do suffer from one major problem: You will get primaried by the enemy on a regular basis. I fly the Kitsune, Keres and Sentinel regularly myself. All of them are very useful in small gangs, as is the Hyena. Here's some words I wrote on EWAR: http://themittani.com/features/ewar-newbies The main thing you need to get good at is range control and not being afraid to bounce as soon as you start taking fire. Setting up bookmarks is doubly important in an EWAR boat.

Don't overlook the Federation Navy Comet, a very fun ship that can surprise the hell out of people when piloted correctly.

On that note, if you have T2 small hybrids, look at a crosstrain into Minmatar Frigate IV and have a gander at the Daredevil Serpentis pirate faction frigate.

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Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2015-10-09 04:37:51 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
You'd be well served cross training into Caldari Frigates too, Goonswarm federation still uses the HarpyFleet as a core doctrine.

The Electronic Attack Frigates do suffer from one major problem: You will get primaried by the enemy on a regular basis. I fly the Kitsune, Keres and Sentinel regularly myself. All of them are very useful in small gangs, as is the Hyena. Here's some words I wrote on EWAR: http://themittani.com/features/ewar-newbies The main thing you need to get good at is range control and not being afraid to bounce as soon as you start taking fire. Setting up bookmarks is doubly important in an EWAR boat.

Don't overlook the Federation Navy Comet, a very fun ship that can surprise the hell out of people when piloted correctly.

On that note, if you have T2 small hybrids, look at a crosstrain into Minmatar Frigate IV and have a gander at the Daredevil Serpentis pirate faction frigate.


Caldari frigate V and Amarr frigate V are both in my skill queue. I didn't really have an intention of training minmatar, I don't particularly like their ships, and have little projectile turret skills.

I wanna join up. I think I got what it takes to be a Citizen.
Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#13 - 2015-10-09 04:59:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
Johnny Riko wrote:

Caldari frigate V and Amarr frigate V are both in my skill queue. I didn't really have an intention of training minmatar, I don't particularly like their ships, and have little projectile turret skills.


I understand this.

Levels of Minmatar Frigate will open up both the Daredevil and the Cruor for you. No need for V, IV will give you some sweet, sweet web bonuses on either hull.

Daredevils are some seriously good fun. I often fly one instead of a 'ceptor in a fast tackle role for my gang. Once that web lands, they're not going anywhere.

Bastion Arzi wrote:
best assault frigates imo are the vengeance and the hawk. they have massive tank and ok dps. well with implants and bling friend of mine gets 250 dps in a venge



A blaster Daredevil will push 250+ DPS in pretty meh fit. Throw in some gunnery implants and solid skills and it's up over 400. Seriously pimp things and you can crack 500.

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Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2015-10-09 05:21:24 UTC
Mephiztopheleze wrote:
Johnny Riko wrote:

Caldari frigate V and Amarr frigate V are both in my skill queue. I didn't really have an intention of training minmatar, I don't particularly like their ships, and have little projectile turret skills.


I understand this.

Levels of Minmatar Frigate will open up both the Daredevil and the Cruor for you. No need for V, IV will give you some sweet, sweet web bonuses on either hull.

Daredevils are some seriously good fun. I often fly one instead of a 'ceptor in a fast tackle role for my gang. Once that web lands, they're not going anywhere.

Bastion Arzi wrote:
best assault frigates imo are the vengeance and the hawk. they have massive tank and ok dps. well with implants and bling friend of mine gets 250 dps in a venge



A blaster Daredevil will push 250+ DPS in pretty meh fit. Throw in some gunnery implants and solid skills and it's up over 400. Seriously pimp things and you can crack 500.



What's your opinion on T3Ds? I mean I'm hesitant to train one because of the impending nerf, I'm not sure which one I will like most post nerf. Currently I like the confessor, but I have no small energy turret skills, so if I go for that over a Hecate it's an extra investment I guess. The whole reason I am training assault frigates now is because I'm hoping they will be buffed/made relevant again in the near future.

I can't see how CCP will make AF relevant by nerfing T3Ds. They will either have to make T3Ds terrible, or combine it with an alteration to AFs to slightly change their roles.

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Mephiztopheleze
Laphroaig Inc.
#15 - 2015-10-09 05:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Mephiztopheleze
I can't fly T3Ds yet, but Soon(tm).

They're all pretty powerful, but the 'nod' probably has to go to the Svipul just now.

Reasons:
1: Selectable damage type with projectiles weapons.
2: Minmatar Destroyer V also opens up the Sabre Interdictor which uses the same weapons system and is widely regarded as the best 'dictor. Amarr Destroyer V opens up the Heretic, also a very good 'dictor, but one that uses a different weapon system, missiles, to the Confessor, small energy turrets.

edit: HarpyFleet is not going anywhere anytime soon. Well worth training into. Go on an Imperium HarpyFleet with ~200+ Harpies and be amazed as Marauders just melt under the combined firepower.

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Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-10-09 08:28:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
confirming u can get 500+ dps out of the dd with impants and bling but then the dd costs 3 or 4 times the amount of a hawk or vengance and may still actually have trouble vs a hawk becuase of the hawks resist profile.


i was killing newbros with a meh fit dd last nite. i love the look and feel of this ship.

didnt know it could push 500 dps yesterday tho.

time for a clean clone

edit oh wow u dont even need bling to achieve 500 dps just leave the utiltiy empty
Mysa
EVIL PLANKTON
#17 - 2015-10-12 17:39:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Mysa
Bastion Arzi wrote:
confirming u can get 500+ dps out of the dd with impants and bling but then the dd costs 3 or 4 times the amount of a hawk or vengance and may still actually have trouble vs a hawk becuase of the hawks resist profile.


i was killing newbros with a meh fit dd last nite. i love the look and feel of this ship.

didnt know it could push 500 dps yesterday tho.

time for a clean clone

edit oh wow u dont even need bling to achieve 500 dps just leave the utiltiy empty


and then you fly this [RODDEN#1] swap ab for mwd for plex beacon camping, and ease up on the isk by removing a faction mag stab. But way more cooler to use them tho!

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Demerius Xenocratus
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2015-10-16 10:06:30 UTC
Svipul.

If a frigate is required, the Federation Navy Comet remains the best navy frigate and can even challenge some AF's, T3D's and pirate frigates 1v1.

The 150mm rail comet is a terror.
Johnny Riko
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2015-10-19 17:03:21 UTC
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Svipul.

If a frigate is required, the Federation Navy Comet remains the best navy frigate and can even challenge some AF's, T3D's and pirate frigates 1v1.

The 150mm rail comet is a terror.


Can you show me what a typical 150mm rail comet fit looks like?

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Doctor Knuckles
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2015-10-19 21:36:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Doctor Knuckles
Johnny Riko wrote:
Demerius Xenocratus wrote:
Svipul.

If a frigate is required, the Federation Navy Comet remains the best navy frigate and can even challenge some AF's, T3D's and pirate frigates 1v1.

The 150mm rail comet is a terror.


Can you show me what a typical 150mm rail comet fit looks like?



Variations of something like this

[Federation Navy Comet, Hull Rails]
Damage Control II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Small Ancillary Armor Repairer, Nanite Repair Paste

1MN Afterburner II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
J5b Phased Prototype Warp Scrambler I

150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S
[empty high slot]
150mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S

Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II
Small Transverse Bulkhead II

Acolyte II x3
Warrior II x3
Nanite Repair Paste x100
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S x500
Javelin S x500
Spike S x500


could also use meta DCU to get cpu enough for a neut / nos, and ofc downgrade rigs to t1 if you want to save a buck

I also like to dual prop the comet, and use blasters, quite a fun ship.

Consider that the rail comet is a beast 1v1, but is not great at engaging multiple foes. For that kind of thing, the navy frig you want is the Slicer
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