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[Focus Group] Tactical Destroyers

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Esnaelc Sin'led
Lonesome Capsuleer
#41 - 2015-10-08 12:53:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Esnaelc Sin'led
Honnestly, who were using AFs before T3Ds were introduced ?

AFs will still need buffs one way or the other for them to be used among the current meta, dominated by Kite-Cruisers.
And sadly, i could not see a single word about that in the new realeased road map update.
gregora mai
The Northerners
Pandemic Horde
#42 - 2015-10-08 13:04:11 UTC
Hail to the King CCP!
Great News! I love these changes. Now I can get back to my T2 Frigs for Small Plexes!
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#43 - 2015-10-08 13:08:33 UTC
Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:
Honnestly, who were using AFs before T3Ds were introduced ?

AFs will still need buffs one way or the other for them to be used among the current meta, dominated by Kite-Cruisers.
And sadly, i could not see a single word about that in the new realeased road map update.


no one was, they sucked pre t3ds almost as bad as they suck now
Arla Sarain
#44 - 2015-10-08 13:41:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Arla Sarain
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:
Honnestly, who were using AFs before T3Ds were introduced ?

AFs will still need buffs one way or the other for them to be used among the current meta, dominated by Kite-Cruisers.
And sadly, i could not see a single word about that in the new realeased road map update.


no one was, they sucked pre t3ds almost as bad as they suck now

Considering all but the Jaguar have slower MWD speeds than HACs, with only a few of them having any kind of projection capability in the current kite meta, this shouldn't be a surprise or any sort of news to anyone. T3Ds didn't simply replace AFs - they became what AFs should have been at least remotely close to.
Xavier Azabu
Half Empty
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#45 - 2015-10-08 13:43:22 UTC
Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:
Honnestly, who were using AFs before T3Ds were introduced ?

AFs will still need buffs one way or the other for them to be used among the current meta, dominated by Kite-Cruisers.
And sadly, i could not see a single word about that in the new realeased road map update.


Speed speed speed and speed buf to AFs
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2015-10-08 13:50:11 UTC
Xavier Azabu wrote:
Esnaelc Sin'led wrote:
Honnestly, who were using AFs before T3Ds were introduced ?

AFs will still need buffs one way or the other for them to be used among the current meta, dominated by Kite-Cruisers.
And sadly, i could not see a single word about that in the new realeased road map update.


Speed speed speed and speed buf to AFs


Can we please not make speed creep an even bigger problem than it alraedy is?
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2015-10-08 13:59:37 UTC
OMG destroyers are good at killing frigates? Shocked NEEEERF

Only things wrong with them IMO is their speed, the ability to fit oversized prop mods and state switching cool down. I hope that they get a ban on oversize prop mods instead of a pg nerf...

Really though, if AFs would have been given the AB speed bonus like people were asking for when they were reballanced, T3Ds wouldn't be such a big issue.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
W0lf Crendraven
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#48 - 2015-10-08 14:32:30 UTC
why do people hate oversized propmods so much, they are all around awesome. Both to fight against and with.
Arec Bardwin
#49 - 2015-10-08 14:34:47 UTC
Give AFs interceptor grade warp speed (8AU/s?) and nerf fitting on T3Ds so fitting an oversized prop mod really requires some serious sacrifice.
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#50 - 2015-10-08 14:41:28 UTC
W0lf Crendraven wrote:
why do people hate oversized propmods so much, they are all around awesome. Both to fight against and with.


kinda tells you how crap normal sized AB's are..

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#51 - 2015-10-08 14:50:10 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
OMG destroyers are good at killing frigates? Shocked NEEEERF


My jackdaw made a prophecy run away.
Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#52 - 2015-10-08 15:15:42 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
OMG destroyers are good at killing frigates? Shocked NEEEERF


Not only frigates, our Svipul fleet shredded a equal size BC fleet a few nights ago with ease. A dessie that moves like a frigate and has the DPS and tank of a cruiser is simply overpowered no matter how you try and spin it.

NBSI shall be the whole of the Law
afkalt
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-10-08 15:25:02 UTC
Samillian wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
OMG destroyers are good at killing frigates? Shocked NEEEERF


Not only frigates, our Svipul fleet shredded a equal size BC fleet a few nights ago with ease. A dessie that moves like a frigate and has the DPS and tank of a cruiser is simply overpowered no matter how you try and spin it.



Nothing says overpowered like getting 280mm arty, DOUBLE masb, MWD, T2 point and still managing 1985+ alpha out the thing.

Fitting compromises, you say? "LOLWUT?!", said an unnamed spokesperson for Svipul manufacturers.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2015-10-08 15:44:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Samillian wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
OMG destroyers are good at killing frigates? Shocked NEEEERF


Not only frigates, our Svipul fleet shredded a equal size BC fleet a few nights ago with ease. A dessie that moves like a frigate and has the DPS and tank of a cruiser is simply overpowered no matter how you try and spin it.


BC are not designed to be destroyer killers especially not brutixes if THIS is what you are talking about.

But either way I'm not trying to spin it anyway, as i said, there should be some small nerfs and a buff to AFs (or HACs) to be a better counter.

Let's not forget, these are T3 destroyers, they should decimate T1 frigs and should be able to stand toe to toe with T1 cruiser and bigger ships if flow right.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Odracir Atosc
The Legion of Spoon
Curatores Veritatis Alliance
#55 - 2015-10-08 16:33:49 UTC
I think its a bit ridiculous that johndrees is in this group because the only thing that he understands is hot droping nothing else.
Soltys
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#56 - 2015-10-08 17:00:38 UTC
Ability to fit oversized prop mods should be really looked at - and perhaps properly nerfed (or completely disallowed). A simple constraint such as "oversized propulsion module receives 90% penalty to its effects when fitted to undersized ship" would do the thing - without having to tinker with ships' stats in this context.

Jita Flipping Inc.: Kovl & Kuvl
TrouserDeagle
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#57 - 2015-10-08 17:10:41 UTC
any talk about the scan res bonus on sharpshooter mode?

I can't see any good reason not to remove it. you can run silly instalock camps without even trying. I'm trying to fly a ship with 2.6k ehp. it's pretty difficult when people show up in ships with 900 scan res and 2k alpha out to decloak range in just a normal fit.

I can't think of any legitimate non-awful use for it. but then I feel that way for scan res rigs and sebos as well, maybe I'm stupid. I just don't see why gatecampers should be presented with more options when it's so easy for them nowadays with infinite range 90% webs and whatnot.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#58 - 2015-10-08 21:17:31 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:


Let's not forget, these are T3 destroyers, they should decimate T1 frigs and should be able to stand toe to toe with T1 cruiser and bigger ships if flow right.


Why should they be able to stand against cruisers?
Leonardo Adami
Doomheim
#59 - 2015-10-08 21:41:40 UTC
afkalt wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
OMG destroyers are good at killing frigates? Shocked NEEEERF


My jackdaw made a prophecy run away.


Bad prophecy fit and pilot.
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#60 - 2015-10-08 21:53:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:


Let's not forget, these are T3 destroyers, they should decimate T1 frigs and should be able to stand toe to toe with T1 cruiser and bigger ships if flow right.


Why should they be able to stand against cruisers?


Because T1 cruisers are the next hull size up but two tech levels lower. That's my logic anyway.

There main counter should be AFs (by utilizing sig tanking and comparable speed) and HAC's (through superior tank and damage projection) but I don't think either of those classes are particularly well designed at the moment.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...