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Need advice with solo PVP

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#121 - 2015-10-05 21:50:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Amanda Guido wrote:
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya, in retrospect, I should have warped to a safe rather then the gate, but I was aligned and he was burning toward me fast
So then you don't know the mechanics like you claim do you? That is a rookie mistake. Don't come here all high and mighty claiming you know the mechanics when you clearly don't.


LOL what is the rookie mistake u are referring to? So, because I made an error in the heat of a fight, I am a rookie? You don't make errors, and nobody else here makes errors eh? Ya ok.

Just advice, you really should setup not only safes in system but instadock, instaundock, off grid and on grid bookmarks on each gate in those systems you regularly fly in.

That way, especially if warping to OMS, you'll also be aligned to one of your bookmarks if you are aligned to gate.

Better is to align to your safe bookmarks rather than celestials/gates. That way you can always immediately warp to one when needed and don't give Intel away about your desired destination.

That gives you much greater safety.

So a good thing to do would be to jump in an interceptor and go make bookmarks in all the systems you regularly roam. You can never have too many.
Captain Brownfinger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#122 - 2015-10-05 22:32:04 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
I guess I just need to ship down, but that speaks volumes about my original topic. BS have a very limited role and need work.


You finally admit you should be downsizing your ship for the job you are trying to do. How many of us have been trying to tell you this but you just wanted to argue up and down about how its broken game mechanics ?

Yeah battleships have limited roles as they should, just like every other ship in the game. I as well as others told you right from the start "use the right tool for the job". Battleships are not supposed to be the swiss army knife of the game where it can do a little bit of everything, no ship is. Battleships have their role and job and they do that job well when used correctly, there is nothing that needs a wholesale fix like you claim. Sure some things may need a tweak here and there but then again Eve along with every other MMO in existence is in that same boat, always needing constant tweaks and retweaking.

There was a time in Eves history when battleships were in fact the end all be all of ships in the game and the game was severely broken then. If CCP listen to you and make the changes that you are going on about then we will be right back in that very same boat as we were years and years ago.
Stitch Kaneland
The Tuskers
The Tuskers Co.
#123 - 2015-10-05 22:44:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Stitch Kaneland
Amanda Guido wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:


You guys act like I engaged that full fleet by myself. I was attacked by the interceptor in a plex. I neuted him sent out my drones. He killed the drones. I MJD out and warped to gate. He was already at the gate because of my slow ass warp speed. When I landed there was him and an oracle. I could not jump because I was under count.

He then disrupted me again. I neuted and MJD out. Now a typhoon shows up. I went back to gate could not jump, they were there, had me pointed. This continued again and again till everyone there was present. If I jumped through they had someone there waiting to grab me.

I had no charges by the time I was killed because I used them all in the fight! I could not tank anymore by the end, because I was neuted by the curse.

Like I said, I was ****** because of my poor warp speed, poor mobility and poor ability to kill anything smaller then a cruiser


Still doesnt sound right. All the damage you tanked between these guys should have shownup in the KM. So if you used up all your charges, we should see well over 27k damage tanked. Unless this was going on for hours.

You also made the mistake of warping to a gate blind. If youre roaming an area frequently, setup perches a few hundred km from gate to scout the area first. I solo roam in BS quite frequently, i do fine avoiding most of these issues. I also know who I can and cant engage and do my best to avoid those that counter me. Warping with aggression timer to 0 on a gate is also not the wisest thing.

I also know one of the guys who killed you, so maybe he can shed some light on what happened without angry bias getting in the way.


One more time... There was a curse in the fight, meaning he neuted me to sh*t, meaning even with my cap boosters (which lasted all of 1 min with a curses neuts) I was capped out. Thus, you only see 27k tank.


Which is why hyperions usually use 2 cap boosters, not one. TC is pointless, especially when you have no range control.

Also, you claim the curse neuted you within a minute, yet you cannot burn through a full cargo hold of cap boosters in a minute. And if you going around tanking a cargo's hold worth of cap booster charges against this gang, it would show up in the KM of well over 27k damage taken. Hell a naked hyperion is showing about 29k HP.
NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#124 - 2015-10-05 23:07:37 UTC  |  Edited by: NovaCat13
Amanda Guido wrote:
NovaCat13 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya man, that sucked balls. Got blobed in a plex in low sec and warping back into high sec a proteus at the gate insta locked me as I came out of warp. Real nice game mechanics


Um you Panic'd At the Disco, er died to a smart bomb... no lock required. But I guess that's been pointed out already... I'm just here for the popcorn.


Panic? I had hardly left warp and I was insta podded. There was no time to panic. I didn't even know what hit me. Love these newbs who come in here and think they know what happened when they were not present.


I was doing a thing, it went over your head, doesn't change the fact you died to a disco. And besides all these "newbs" have been giving you nothing but advice, you're the one that is not all there. (Plus every single one of those "newbs" knew more about that pod death than you did.)

Amanda Guido wrote:
Portmanteau, the next toon who wants to post on my forums about how bad I am and turn down a 1v1. After telling me to meet him, right here on this forum. You guys want to sound all tough on the forum, but NONE of you meet my offer.


Roll

Just say NO to Dailies

Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners
#125 - 2015-10-05 23:22:10 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
NovaCat13 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya man, that sucked balls. Got blobed in a plex in low sec and warping back into high sec a proteus at the gate insta locked me as I came out of warp. Real nice game mechanics


Um you Panic'd At the Disco, er died to a smart bomb... no lock required. But I guess that's been pointed out already... I'm just here for the popcorn.


Panic? I had hardly left warp and I was insta podded. There was no time to panic. I didn't even know what hit me. Love these newbs who come in here and think they know what happened when they were not present.


Several of us have mentioned that you were not instapodded, you were smartbombed. Your podmail clearly shows you were smartbombed.

We don't have to think we know what happened when the killmail tells us exactly what happened.

You were smartbombed. By a smartbomb. From a Proteus pilot equipped with smartbombs.

Smartbomb.
Captain Brownfinger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#126 - 2015-10-05 23:40:20 UTC
Matrea D wrote:
Several of us have mentioned that you were not instapodded, you were smartbombed. Your podmail clearly shows you were smartbombed.

We don't have to think we know what happened when the killmail tells us exactly what happened.

You were smartbombed. By a smartbomb. From a Proteus pilot equipped with smartbombs.

Smartbomb.


Smartbomb!
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#127 - 2015-10-06 01:28:18 UTC
Max Jaeger
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#128 - 2015-10-06 01:45:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Max Jaeger
Amanda Guido wrote:
Max Jaeger wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Need advice with solo PVP
- This is your thread title.

Amanda Guido wrote:
So I have been playing EVE since 2003 and like to think I have a pretty good grasp on pvp.
- This is your opening statement.

Yet you haven't been playing EVE since 2003 (tell me I'm wrong) and you respond to advice (which you asked for) by telling everyone that you know better.

This thread deserves no further response. Save your time guys. As for the OP - go on and fly what you like where you like and how you like, plenty of PvP targets out there. If you really do end up needing advice: a) don't start off with a lie and b) take the advice if you find it helpful and skip it if you don't, just be respectful to those who spend their time trying to help you.

PS: There is nothing wrong with battleships, you are just using them wrong.


I am telling you, you are wrong, want to see a limited API? When you see how old my account is I want an apology on this forum.

My fit is fine, consider my last hyperion losses. I have everything fit that has been suggested. Does not make a bit of difference. You are a big fat target flying around in a huge brick. People will just blob u and fit hard counters.

Tried neuting the interceptor, he called in a second interceptor. Tried MJD they met me at the gate before I could land.

Every tactic I used they had a counter for, we went gate to gate until they finally had enough guys to take me out.

Tried drones, they shot them down.


No need for the API (but thanks). Name of your (non-purchased) oldest character will do. You mention "even older" but I am not sure what in reference to. Older than the 2003 toon you bought or the 2009 one you mention. Please give me the character name (and by now you know we will find out if you are telling the truth) of a character you started and did any pvp with back in 2003 (so that you know you can't really go back further unless you were in beta). If it proves to be legitimate I will apologize right here. If not - you pick how you want to respond... OR just say "sorry guys, I didn't actually fly back in 2003, nor did I do it up until [insert year]". Either works.

See this is why I say you did not fly back in 2003 as you stated:

1. If you did you would have learned the simplest things you clearly show zero understanding of over the past 12 years.
2. You would have aged by 12 years and more likely than not wouldn't display the communication skills of a sub-20 year old player. (Sorry guys, no offense intended)
3. You wouldn't trash your reputation the way you are doing right now.
4. You would have in-game contacts to discuss your PvP skills or lack thereof outside of this forum.
5. You would have already stopped all speculation by referencing your history.

And so on and on. So you either took over an account, bought an account (illegally), bought all of your characters, activated an account from 20XX which you hadn't used much past creation (as the game had a much steeper learning curve back then) or all of the above. You are not flying since 2003 as you claim - admit it already.

It's not too late to say "Sorry guys, I misled you, I started in 20XX and I thought I was good at PVP and I bought a few characters thinking it's the SP I was missing as well as the ability to fly and fit badass hulls. Obviously I need your help".

However, I am done with this thread and with you (although as someone already mentioned, welcome to the watchlist). Have a great day.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#129 - 2015-10-06 02:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Max Jaeger wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Max Jaeger wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Need advice with solo PVP
- This is your thread title.

Amanda Guido wrote:
So I have been playing EVE since 2003 and like to think I have a pretty good grasp on pvp.
- This is your opening statement.

Yet you haven't been playing EVE since 2003 (tell me I'm wrong) and you respond to advice (which you asked for) by telling everyone that you know better.

This thread deserves no further response. Save your time guys. As for the OP - go on and fly what you like where you like and how you like, plenty of PvP targets out there. If you really do end up needing advice: a) don't start off with a lie and b) take the advice if you find it helpful and skip it if you don't, just be respectful to those who spend their time trying to help you.

PS: There is nothing wrong with battleships, you are just using them wrong.


I am telling you, you are wrong, want to see a limited API? When you see how old my account is I want an apology on this forum.

My fit is fine, consider my last hyperion losses. I have everything fit that has been suggested. Does not make a bit of difference. You are a big fat target flying around in a huge brick. People will just blob u and fit hard counters.

Tried neuting the interceptor, he called in a second interceptor. Tried MJD they met me at the gate before I could land.

Every tactic I used they had a counter for, we went gate to gate until they finally had enough guys to take me out.

Tried drones, they shot them down.


No need for the API (but thanks). Name of your (non-purchased) oldest character will do. You mention "even older" but I am not sure what in reference to. Older than the 2003 toon you bought or the 2009 one you mention. Please give me the character name (and by now you know we will find out if you are telling the truth) of a character you started and did any pvp with back in 2003 (so that you know you can't really go back further unless you were in beta). If it proves to be legitimate I will apologize right here. If not - you pick how you want to respond... OR just say "sorry guys, I didn't actually fly back in 2003, nor did I do it up until [insert year]". Either works.

See this is why I say you did not fly back in 2003 as you stated:

1. If you did you would have learned the simplest things you clearly show zero understanding of over the past 12 years.
2. You would have aged by 12 years and more likely than not wouldn't display the communication skills of a sub-20 year old player. (Sorry guys, no offense intended)
3. You wouldn't trash your reputation the way you are doing right now.
4. You would have in-game contacts to discuss your PvP skills or lack thereof outside of this forum.
5. You would have already stopped all speculation by referencing your history.

And so on and on. So you either took over an account, bought an account (illegally), bought all of your characters, activated an account from 20XX which you hadn't used much past creation (as the game had a much steeper learning curve back then) or all of the above. You are not flying since 2003 as you claim - admit it already.

It's not too late to say "Sorry guys, I misled you, I started in 20XX and I thought I was good at PVP and I bought a few characters thinking it's the SP I was missing as well as the ability to fly and fit badass hulls. Obviously I need your help".

However, I am done with this thread and with you (although as someone already mentioned, welcome to the watchlist). Have a great day.


Characters of mine that I remember
Hellen Kurvora
Helena Vexar (2009)

I honestly dont remember the name of the pilot I biomassed prior. I have the transaction history to prove the age of my account. I also can do a limited API.

I remember the day I saw Eve on the shelf of a game stop for the first time. Back when it was sold that way. It was bare bones and all there was to do was mine, build sh*t, or blow sh*t up and you were lucky to have 5k people online.

Yes, I have really played since 2003. On and off like most. As a writer, medical professional, and world traveled 28 year old guy, I can promise you my communication skills are top notch.

I will extend to you the same offer I have to others who seem to think I lack knowledge of game concepts. Meet me anytime, any place, in ship classes of your choice, and I would be happy to allow you to show me your prowess. Show me the error of my ways.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#130 - 2015-10-06 02:45:56 UTC  |  Edited by: baltec1
Amanda Guido wrote:

My fit is fine, consider my last hyperion losses.


Ok.

First up is your lack of a point, this means anything and everything can bug out before you can kill it.

Next up you lack any prop mod which means you have shot yourself in the foot when it comes to maneuvering yourself to help your guns track.

Next is your gun choice. You went with neutrons which are the worst tracking blaster this side of a moros, use electrons for much greater effect.

Next is your ammo choice. You have void and null, you need caldari antimatter for smaller targets.

The large ancillary current router should be dumped for something more useful. Tracking comes to mind

Dump the faction neut, named works perfectly fine and is easy to fit.

Next we move onto the drones, dump the heavies and get a flight of mediums, a flight of light ECM and lots of lights.

MJD on a blaster boat is rather pointless.

I can do nothing about your piloting.

Also of note; all of your battleship losses this year bar two involved an enemy battleship.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#131 - 2015-10-06 03:25:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
baltec1 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:

My fit is fine, consider my last hyperion losses.


Ok.

First up is your lack of a point, this means anything and everything can bug out before you can kill it.

Next up you lack any prop mod which means you have shot yourself in the foot when it comes to maneuvering yourself to help your guns track.

Next is your gun choice. You went with neutrons which are the worst tracking blaster this side of a moros, use electrons for much greater effect.

Next is your ammo choice. You have void and null, you need caldari antimatter for smaller targets.

The large ancillary current router should be dumped for something more useful. Tracking comes to mind

Dump the faction neut, named works perfectly fine and is easy to fit.

Next we move onto the drones, dump the heavies and get a flight of mediums, a flight of light ECM and lots of lights.

MJD on a blaster boat is rather pointless.

I can do nothing about your piloting.

Also of note; all of your battleship losses this year bar two involved an enemy battleship.


I agree on the prop mod. Someone told me to always use a mjd, so I tried it. I mean it did help me escape a few times but I hated having no ability to move. I did have faction ammo in there. Should have shown in the mail. I always have fed navy antimatter. Do you suggest mwd or ab. I will be dead in the water under scram with a mwd

Btw, update. I have nailed down my tracking issues. With the neut I can hit even frigates with double Web and tracking comp. I can ditch the tracking comp if I use electrons but I hate the range issues. Problem is on a boat like the mega. Without room for a neut. What then? Baltic you are the best at battleships. Soo I'm listening
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#132 - 2015-10-06 04:00:40 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Problem is on a boat like the mega. Without room for a neut. What then? Baltic you are the best at battleships. Soo I'm listening


Drop a gun and fit the neut, you don't have to use all of your turret slots.
Captain Brownfinger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#133 - 2015-10-06 04:17:54 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Btw, update. I have nailed down my tracking issues. With the neut I can hit even frigates with double Web and tracking comp. I can ditch the tracking comp if I use electrons but I hate the range issues. Problem is on a boat like the mega. Without room for a neut. What then? Baltic you are the best at battleships. Soo I'm listening


So now that you realize that there are solutions to your problem are the people you insulted in this and your locked thread with name calling going to be receiving an apology when they tried to help you and you just wanted to fight ?
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#134 - 2015-10-06 12:12:51 UTC
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Stitch Kaneland wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:


You guys act like I engaged that full fleet by myself. I was attacked by the interceptor in a plex. I neuted him sent out my drones. He killed the drones. I MJD out and warped to gate. He was already at the gate because of my slow ass warp speed. When I landed there was him and an oracle. I could not jump because I was under count.

He then disrupted me again. I neuted and MJD out. Now a typhoon shows up. I went back to gate could not jump, they were there, had me pointed. This continued again and again till everyone there was present. If I jumped through they had someone there waiting to grab me.

I had no charges by the time I was killed because I used them all in the fight! I could not tank anymore by the end, because I was neuted by the curse.

Like I said, I was ****** because of my poor warp speed, poor mobility and poor ability to kill anything smaller then a cruiser


Still doesnt sound right. All the damage you tanked between these guys should have shownup in the KM. So if you used up all your charges, we should see well over 27k damage tanked. Unless this was going on for hours.

You also made the mistake of warping to a gate blind. If youre roaming an area frequently, setup perches a few hundred km from gate to scout the area first. I solo roam in BS quite frequently, i do fine avoiding most of these issues. I also know who I can and cant engage and do my best to avoid those that counter me. Warping with aggression timer to 0 on a gate is also not the wisest thing.

I also know one of the guys who killed you, so maybe he can shed some light on what happened without angry bias getting in the way.


One more time... There was a curse in the fight, meaning he neuted me to sh*t, meaning even with my cap boosters (which lasted all of 1 min with a curses neuts) I was capped out. Thus, you only see 27k tank.


Which is why hyperions usually use 2 cap boosters, not one. TC is pointless, especially when you have no range control.

Also, you claim the curse neuted you within a minute, yet you cannot burn through a full cargo hold of cap boosters in a minute. And if you going around tanking a cargo's hold worth of cap booster charges against this gang, it would show up in the KM of well over 27k damage taken. Hell a naked hyperion is showing about 29k HP.

Whete were all the capboosters? You didn't get a single rep off? But were warping around (using cap)

Just stop lying and say you forgot to put them in your cargo.
We all can see that is what happened
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#135 - 2015-10-06 12:17:42 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
That option of going Indregulle -> Murethand -> Mesybier is not a bad option if you are determined to keep flying these types of ships, even for normal roaming.

If you are starting from Villore, then just go Pemene -> Mesybier.

From Mesybier you can go to Orvolle and back into lowsec at Oulley, giving you quick access to Aubernall, Eugales, Moclinamaud, Renarelle, Vlillirier, etc. which are better systems to roam in that sort of ship.

You'll still end up losing more fights than you win just because of the choice of ship and the way it limits the types of engagements people will be prepared to engage you in (ie. Heavily in their advantage even before the fight starts), but you are more likely to find people willing to take more of a risk.

But really, the best option would be put a billion ISK into T3Ds or faction frigates and go lose a heap while winning just as much.

You'll end up with way more fights and in many of them you'll be no worse than even footing going into it. These big ships will just continue to lose when you are solo and I'm sure that can't be fun to sink so much ISK (and I assume you don't have means to earn ISK in game so are using PLEX to fund your pvp).


You are right, it is not fun and I am using plex. I make isk in game fw plexing, but lately I have been trying to test fits in BS. Just is not working out. You are right on point. I guess I just need to ship down, but that speaks volumes about my original topic. BS have a very limited role and need work.

Using plex you are over 9 billl lost ij 5 days. Thsts like $150 bro.
Keep that rate upis $900 a month.
I think you should call like a gambling hotline you need help
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#136 - 2015-10-07 12:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Bastion Arzi
didnt read the whole thread but iirc blaster boats dont have a utility high.

do they?

one medium neut can really ruin a frig/dessies day.

if the fights still a stalemate just warp off when his point drops as ur neut compeltes its cycle.

be prealigned to whatever u like and just hold s and click the celstial or whatever as the cycle ends/begins

i've only been playing 3 years and i know to at least try this.

edit - theres always the neut vexor tho. that thing is king in many situations
Naoru Kozan
Perkone
Caldari State
#137 - 2015-10-07 12:23:10 UTC
This thread delivers.

"Fighte me IRL I'm Diamond zerg!!!!!!00!!!!"

OP: You might want to listen to the advice offered throughout the thread. It's funny that often the old players are some of the worst at pvp due the refusal to adapt to a shifting meta (this is coming from a 5 year player). Often the new guys who come in with a fresh approach and enthusiasm make better pvpers than the old guard.
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#138 - 2015-10-07 13:13:59 UTC
wow ok after reading more of your replies op. i would suggest that you discount everything i said in my previous post.

and fyi 106 drone dps will manglethe average frig that is scrammed webbed neuted

but hey what do i know

im one of these f**king idiots as u say.

nice 1
Bastion Arzi
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#139 - 2015-10-07 13:17:37 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
I can do nothing about your piloting.


almost fell out of my chair laughing. +1
Minty Aroma
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#140 - 2015-10-08 04:50:14 UTC
I'm afraid it's a kity meta out there, so you'll have to learn to kite with long ranged weapons or die. Try the navy omen for a fairly decent fast kiter that can mitigate damage fairly well.