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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#141 - 2015-10-07 14:55:11 UTC
La Rynx wrote:

Wimsi, Skippy and codie, as you can see a lot of people do not share you oppinion and see the need for discussion for possible changes.

Just out of curiosity, what opinion of mine are you referring to here?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#142 - 2015-10-07 14:59:59 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
La Rynx wrote:

Wimsi, Skippy and codie, as you can see a lot of people do not share you oppinion and see the need for discussion for possible changes.

Just out of curiosity, what opinion of mine are you referring to here?


Come now, you know who you're replying to.

If you have an opinion that PvP belongs in highsec in any capacity, or that no one has the right to be left alone in a sandbox PvP game, then you give him the badfeelz.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#143 - 2015-10-07 15:13:14 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Make "wardeccs" better and more meaningfull. Not just spray them around to finally get some scraps.
It's not the problem you think it is that is the cause of wardec spam.

Wardecs are spammed because at least 50% of the targets will turtle up or drop corp, wardec corps spam wardecs so that they have targets to keep their membership entertained and playing Eve.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#144 - 2015-10-07 15:17:55 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Make "wardeccs" better and more meaningfull. Not just spray them around to finally get some scraps.
It's not the problem you think it is that is the cause of wardec spam.

Wardecs are spammed because at least 50% of the targets will turtle up or drop corp, wardec corps spam wardecs so that they have targets to keep their membership entertained and playing Eve.


50/50 that Trollboy there actually knows this, and that fits his precise intent with his snide "suggestions".

You gotta understand, whether it's ignorance or malice, they want to kill the game either way, and both are equally damnable.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#145 - 2015-10-07 15:23:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Vimsy Vortis
You can either spam and hope for the best or declare war on nullsec corps and camp trade hubs.

Declaring war on a minimal number of targets is just not reliable. Even if you're basing your declarations on past wars and likelihood of seeing a fight you have to declare extra wars in the likely event that it turns out to be a bust.

CCP Continuously nerfing highsec PVP in response to carebear whining has conditioned people into whining on the forums to get what they want in game, rather than actually playing the game.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#146 - 2015-10-07 16:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what opinion of mine are you referring to here?


Oh sorry you do not have an oppinion, you are just trolling?
Sorry.

Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
Make "wardeccs" better and more meaningfull. Not just spray them around to finally get some scraps.
It's not the problem you think it is that is the cause of wardec spam.

Wardecs are spammed because at least 50% of the targets will turtle up or drop corp, wardec corps spam wardecs so that they have targets to keep their membership entertained and playing Eve.


Of course and if i put stabs on my travel fit i am avoiding PvP too.
Been there done that.

It is not only about wardecc spamming, also its about equality.
Rise the risk for both sides, especially those ppl crying about other players (easier opponents) than just accept that and hunt other targets. How comes that those crybabies do not shoot it out between those other crybabies that want "to kill something".

If someone avoids the fight, he is afraid it might be surethat he will loose.
That is something almost all eve players do!
And thats not risk averse, its smart.
I do not engage solely a 100man fleet. Thats not risk averse.
Its just not being stu-pid.
If you want fights, go nullsec.
Roams happen always and i have been victim to them more than once.

It is risk averse and pathetic to fight smaller, weaker entities, because you do not dare to do what you tell others to do.
It is pathetic to pound on your chest when you are only kill caspules, exhumers and haulers.
It is PvP, but it is not elite. Compared what others do, it is just pathetic.

And yes "trollboy 1" knows this.

But "mr trollboy 2" at least i am not crying "noooooo" all the times.
You know:
How many Eve players does it take to change a light bulb?
Kaarous: "Change? Noooooooooo!!!11!!1!!!".

At least i try to discuss productiv.
You whinning (really it is) is whining none the less, even if the tears you cry are angry tears.
Bear

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#147 - 2015-10-07 16:57:40 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Vimsy Vortis wrote:
CCP Continuously nerfing highsec PVP in response to carebear whining has conditioned people into whining on the forums to get what they want in game, rather than actually playing the game.


You realise that hisec mercs are also pathetic carebears?

Would you follow CCPs blogs, you could see some changes on the horizon with those citadels. And if i got them right, there will be changes for wardeccs to. Better be prepared.

I will watch from nullsec and comment.

Vimsy Vortis wrote:
You can either spam and hope for the best or declare war on nullsec corps and camp trade hubs.

NO!

You can always get to nullsec and get YOUR asss wiped!

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#148 - 2015-10-07 17:06:12 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
You realise that hisec mercs are also pathetic carebears?


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Carebear

I don't think "Carebear" is the word you want here.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#149 - 2015-10-07 17:11:22 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Austneal wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
You realise that hisec mercs are also pathetic carebears?


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Carebear

I don't think "Carebear" is the word you want here.

Wrong, that is absolutly what i had in mind.

Ppl stating otherwise just do not look into the mirror.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
they want to kill the game either way, and both are equally damnable.

Man, you really lost it for good.

EvE is changing all the time.
*Your* comfortable times in hisec might come to an end.

You know what you just wrote?
"Eve is dying"

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Vimsy Vortis
Shoulda Checked Local
Break-A-Wish Foundation
#150 - 2015-10-07 17:17:08 UTC
They can continue to do the same thing they've been doing for years and nerf highsec aggression yet again but doing so won't fix any kind of perceived problem because it doesn't address or even attempt to identify the causes.

Nerfing aggression is a blunt instrument that tries (and usually fails, see the rise of CODE. and the current large highsec merc alliances that we get to enjoy as a result as past nerfs) to address the most superficial symptoms.

As long as changes are unintelligent knee-jerk responses to whining without any attempt to find out what player need the "problem" behavior is satisfying the problem won't be solved, it'll stay the same or get worse, but will manifest in a different way.

If hitting something with a hammer ten times doesn't fix it hitting it an eleventh or twelfth time won't fix it either.
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#151 - 2015-10-07 17:22:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Austneal
La Rynx wrote:
Austneal wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
You realise that hisec mercs are also pathetic carebears?


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Carebear

I don't think "Carebear" is the word you want here.

Wrong, that is absolutly what i had in mind.

Ppl stating otherwise just do not look into the mirror.


Would you mind explaining how mercs who are deccing too many people at once would fall under:
Quote:
players who prefer to refrain from PvP combat.

I'm not understanding
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#152 - 2015-10-07 18:40:22 UTC
Austneal wrote:
La Rynx wrote:
You realise that hisec mercs are also pathetic carebears?


https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Carebear

I don't think "Carebear" is the word you want here.


It very obviously does not apply, but in the depths of that poster's pit of intellectual dishonesty, they have to try and apply some negative label.

It's a fairly typical SJW tactic. They always project, without fail.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#153 - 2015-10-07 20:01:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
La Rynx wrote:
Of course and if i put stabs on my travel fit i am avoiding PvP too.
Been there done that.
Yes, yes you are; however putting stabs on your travel fit means A: you're not turtled up, and B: If you've fitted stabs because you're decced you haven't removed yourself from the pool of targets.

Quote:
If you want fights, go nullsec.
Why? Hisec is just as much a PvP area as lowsec, nullsec and whspace

Quote:
It is risk averse and pathetic to fight smaller, weaker entities, because you do not dare to do what you tell others to do.
Except the smaller, weaker enemies generally outnumber the predators, both in the real world and in Eve. The major difference is that in Eve both predator and prey have access to exactly the same mechanics and tools; one group uses them, the other can't be bothered for the most part.

Everybody in Eve is born with teeth and claws, some of us choose to remove them, some of us choose to use them.

Quote:
It is pathetic to pound on your chest when you are only kill caspules, exhumers and haulers.
It is pathetic that some of the players behind those capsules, exhumers and haulers think that they should be safe from interference from others in a game where interfering with others is considered to be a cornerstone and fundamental aspect of the game.

Quote:
It is PvP, but it is not elite. Compared what others do, it is just pathetic.
At least you admit that it is actually PvP.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#154 - 2015-10-07 21:02:18 UTC
La Rynx wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:

Just out of curiosity, what opinion of mine are you referring to here?


Oh sorry you do not have an oppinion, you are just trolling?
Sorry.

Nah, I enjoy the discussions too much to troll (generally),

But I'm interested to know what opinion of mine on wardecs is it you were referring to that is disagreed on by a lot of people?
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#155 - 2015-10-08 01:10:27 UTC
hi

I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#156 - 2015-10-08 01:21:55 UTC
Paul Pohl wrote:
hi

I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts


Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#157 - 2015-10-08 01:36:48 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Paul Pohl wrote:
hi

I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts


Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in.

Yeah totally agree. Wardeccers are PvPers in general, not PvEers so removing their access to mission agents doesn't change their play one bit.

This would be a punitive measure against PvE based Corps, encouraging those characters to stay in or drop to an NPC Corp. probably not a great outcome.
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#158 - 2015-10-08 01:42:59 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Paul Pohl wrote:
hi

I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts


Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in.


dude? golly!

anywho...

the point is this - would you want to be part of a corp who was spamming wardecs if a) you actually had to fight the war and b) were deprived of the major source of income in high-sec?

clearly you wouldn't
Paul Pohl
blue media poetry
#159 - 2015-10-08 01:54:09 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Paul Pohl wrote:
hi

I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts


Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in.

Yeah totally agree. Wardeccers are PvPers in general, not PvEers so removing their access to mission agents doesn't change their play one bit.

This would be a punitive measure against PvE based Corps, encouraging those characters to stay in or drop to an NPC Corp. probably not a great outcome.


supposedly they stay in or drop out to NPC corps anyway

and you assume that the PVE corps is the defender
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#160 - 2015-10-08 01:57:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Paul Pohl wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Paul Pohl wrote:
hi

I'd suggest that those corps involved in war should not have access to agents for PVE missions - the aggressors from the time of the dec and the defender from when the war starts


Dude, even I think that's a bad idea. It would just make people dec dodge more, or just not log in.

Yeah totally agree. Wardeccers are PvPers in general, not PvEers so removing their access to mission agents doesn't change their play one bit.

This would be a punitive measure against PvE based Corps, encouraging those characters to stay in or drop to an NPC Corp. probably not a great outcome.


supposedly they stay in or drop out to NPC corps anyway

and you assume that the PVE corps is the defender

The stats show that far more was are declared by pvp/wardec corps than by PvE corps. Not opinion or assumption. Thats just fact.

Not everyone drops to NPC Corps, but this would be a change that certainly punishes PvE Corps while not affecting PvP Corps at all.

What would be the benefit of this change? Maybe I'm just missing something obvious.