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THX-1138 Ormand
Gallente Distribution Manufacturing Mining
#1 - 2015-09-30 18:05:40 UTC
How do these things work once they are launched into space? How long do they live out there? Are they removed during server DT? Is there a way to repackage them and place them back into your cargo hold once they've been deployed in space? Can they be looted, stolen, or destroyed? The description and attribute tabs say NOTHING about these facts in-game or in the Evepedia.
Kyra Lee
Doomheim
#2 - 2015-09-30 20:16:51 UTC
Your right, they don't have that info any where. You should start a thread in the Features and Ideas forum about this issue. Information like this should be much more easy to find.

Now to answer your questions.
How do these things work once they are launched into space? - They work just like normal jet cans.

How long do they live out there? - About 2 hours.

Are they removed during server DT? - They should be.

Is there a way to repackage them and place them back into your cargo hold once they've been deployed in space? - You can scoop them up in any ship that has room for them. You can only repackage stuff in a station/outpost I think.

Can they be looted, stolen, or destroyed? Yes, I think so(space permitting), Yes.

The one caveat to these rules is this: any freight container within a POS Shield will remain indefinitely although anyone who can access the shields can access the container. Most of this info was gathered through google and forum posts so it may not be 100% accurate.

Hope this helps,
KL
THX-1138 Ormand
Gallente Distribution Manufacturing Mining
#3 - 2015-09-30 20:33:52 UTC
Thanks for the info! These are the answers I have found as well, but none of it is straight from CCP. It's just a collection of "best guesses" from more experienced players. I will re-post this in the section you suggested. I also started a support ticket, but have not received any response at all.

I'm pretty sure they last longer than 2 hours though, as I accidentally deployed one in front of a station, and then went mining for a few hours, and it was still there when I came back. I've read that they last as long as 3 weeks or even 30 days. But they are always gone when I log back in after a server reboot.

While I'm on the topic, and yes I know this isn't the right place for this... But it would be nice if I could collect an enormous freight container back into the ship that deployed it. That's a 500k ISK piece of gear right there. It would be nice if I could recover it the same way I put it out there. Just sayin...

Thanks again!
Ersahi Kir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2015-09-30 21:45:03 UTC
Kyra Lee wrote:
Your right, they don't have that info any where. You should start a thread in the Features and Ideas forum about this issue. Information like this should be much more easy to find.

Now to answer your questions.
How do these things work once they are launched into space? - They work just like normal jet cans.

How long do they live out there? - About 2 hours.

Are they removed during server DT? - They should be.

Is there a way to repackage them and place them back into your cargo hold once they've been deployed in space? - You can scoop them up in any ship that has room for them. You can only repackage stuff in a station/outpost I think.

Can they be looted, stolen, or destroyed? Yes, I think so(space permitting), Yes.

The one caveat to these rules is this: any freight container within a POS Shield will remain indefinitely although anyone who can access the shields can access the container. Most of this info was gathered through google and forum posts so it may not be 100% accurate.

Hope this helps,
KL


I think some of this information is incorrect. (I haven't tested in game, but this is what I remember)

If you launch a freight container it will last for "a long time" in space. I would need to test the actual time, but I remember it lasting longer than the lifespan of a null sec mining anom. I seem to recall the freight container disappearing when the site disappeared (if you were still in the site it would stay, but once you warp out and all the structures disappeared it would be gone).

I use to do something similar where I would drop an enormous freight container and drop ore into it like it was an orca, and then switch to a hauler and empty it. It would stay there until the site disappears.

I think the 30 days is accurate if it's not in a site (or if the site didn't disappear like the old ice mining ones). I have never needed to test it though.
THX-1138 Ormand
Gallente Distribution Manufacturing Mining
#5 - 2015-09-30 22:27:52 UTC
Ersahi Kir wrote:
Kyra Lee wrote:
Your right, they don't have that info any where. You should start a thread in the Features and Ideas forum about this issue. Information like this should be much more easy to find.

Now to answer your questions.
How do these things work once they are launched into space? - They work just like normal jet cans.

How long do they live out there? - About 2 hours.

Are they removed during server DT? - They should be.

Is there a way to repackage them and place them back into your cargo hold once they've been deployed in space? - You can scoop them up in any ship that has room for them. You can only repackage stuff in a station/outpost I think.

Can they be looted, stolen, or destroyed? Yes, I think so(space permitting), Yes.

The one caveat to these rules is this: any freight container within a POS Shield will remain indefinitely although anyone who can access the shields can access the container. Most of this info was gathered through google and forum posts so it may not be 100% accurate.

Hope this helps,
KL


I think some of this information is incorrect. (I haven't tested in game, but this is what I remember)

If you launch a freight container it will last for "a long time" in space. I would need to test the actual time, but I remember it lasting longer than the lifespan of a null sec mining anom. I seem to recall the freight container disappearing when the site disappeared (if you were still in the site it would stay, but once you warp out and all the structures disappeared it would be gone).

I use to do something similar where I would drop an enormous freight container and drop ore into it like it was an orca, and then switch to a hauler and empty it. It would stay there until the site disappears.

I think the 30 days is accurate if it's not in a site (or if the site didn't disappear like the old ice mining ones). I have never needed to test it though.


This has been my experience as well, except that the containers seem to disappear after server DT. Very frustrating at 500k per day... Also, being able to deploy, but not recover is very frustrating!
Leila Meurtrier
Why Am I Not Surprised
#6 - 2015-09-30 22:40:28 UTC
I used Freight containers in 2 cases:
First case, putting it off-grid on asteroid belt. Hasn't been used after 16 days, sat there for 18 days, was not found on 37th day. 30 day inactivity timer?
Second case, Freight containers under POS shield. Existed for 4 months AT LEAST although being humped a bit. Has not been taken when I unanchored POS, can't really even remember where exactly that POS was deployed (Somewhere in Thiarer, but won't remember which moon).
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#7 - 2015-10-01 00:26:42 UTC
THX-1138 Ormand wrote:
How do these things work once they are launched into space? How long do they live out there? Are they removed during server DT? Is there a way to repackage them and place them back into your cargo hold once they've been deployed in space? Can they be looted, stolen, or destroyed? The description and attribute tabs say NOTHING about these facts in-game or in the Evepedia.


Freight containers in-space work a little like secure containers in space, although freight containers cannot be anchored or password protected and are (I believe) a little more like standard containers in those respects. They both disappear 30-days after their last use, or when somebody either scoops them or destroys them. Their 30-day disappearance does not generate any warning or advisory notification to the owner / anchorer ... they just cease to be there any more.

Freight containers can be destroyed, like secure containers. They can be looted, unlike password protected secure containers. I believe they can be scooped / stolen by anyone with adequate cargo hold space, although I have not observed this first hand, unlike anchored secure containers

You cannot repackage them in-space, so to retrieve larger ones you may need to use a freighter. For example I will deploy one from a rorqual, use it for my haulers to dump ore into enroute to the rorq's compression mill, and then pick it up later in a freighter. There is no benefit in leaving it in location for future use (in that situation) because the rorqual will not, next time round, go into industrial core activation mode close enough to the freight container for it to be useful. I have to deploy another one each time, after the rorq's core is activated. If you're using one in a belt / site then it may be fine to leave it in location because ships will be able to keep it at a usable range.

Jetcans, or cargo containers, last two hours ... whether or not they're in use.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Pronoes
#8 - 2015-10-05 11:02:46 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
THX-1138 Ormand wrote:
they can be scooped / stolen by anyone with adequate cargo hold space,


Correct
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#9 - 2015-10-06 02:10:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Tau Cabalander
Freight containers are removed from space at every downtime.

An exception is made for items within control range of a control tower.
[EDIT: It isn't actually control range, but rather a fixed range depending on the size of the tower. A dev once posted what the exact numbers were, but I forget them, and am too lazy to search for another link. Within control range is sufficient though.]
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2015-10-06 02:17:50 UTC
I think I am gonna have to test that. I have one untouched in a POS for three days now, so I guess I now need to drop one in free space in the middle of nowhere.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.