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Captain Brownfinger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#61 - 2015-10-05 00:12:13 UTC
The OP is not interested in hearing the truth though.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#62 - 2015-10-05 00:36:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Captain Brownfinger wrote:
The OP is not interested in hearing the truth though.

Yeah maybe. Just trying to help.

Amanda Guido was purchased for 10 Billion in January this year by Nanna Kurvora, who was created 2 days earlier. So on the surface looks as though - new player joined game and bought mid skill point character thinking bigger and more expensive is better. Is now perhaps realising that skill points aren't as useful as player knowledge and skill and could by now be successfully having fun solo pvping on the original character without spending the 10B.
Captain Brownfinger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2015-10-05 00:40:42 UTC
LOL thanks for that info, it proves the idea of the person not actually being a real '03 player and just bought the toon contrary to their claims of being an '03 player.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#64 - 2015-10-05 02:19:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Evil
Captain Brownfinger wrote:
The OP is not interested in hearing the truth though.

Yeah maybe. Just trying to help.

Amanda Guido was purchased for 10 Billion in January this year by Nanna Kurvora, who was created 2 days earlier. So on the surface looks as though - new player joined game and bought mid skill point character thinking bigger and more expensive is better. Is now perhaps realising that skill points aren't as useful as player knowledge and skill and could by now be successfully having fun solo pvping on the original character without spending the 10B.


My other character was sold, Hellen Kurvora, for this character. My very first character Helena Vexar, is even older. I am not new, I do know how to fit, I do know the game mechanics.

When you form a fleet with a guy and he sees that you are flying a BS and says "why are you pvping in a BS, they are terrible in pvp", you know damn well there is an issue and it is not me.
Captain Brownfinger
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#65 - 2015-10-05 02:30:33 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
I do know how to fit, I do know the game mechanics..


No you don't, you have proven you don't. Just because you say you have been around since '03 it does not mean you know anything. You may have actually played for a short while back then but you sure as hell didn't stick around long enough to learn anything at all

Battleships are just fine in PvP when used in their proper roles and not whatever role you think you should be able to shoehorn them into even if the role is completely wrong. Would you take a frigate to a POS Bash ? No, no you wouldn't and if you bring a battleship to a small gang or solo PvP it's the wrong place.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#66 - 2015-10-05 02:32:24 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Evil
Captain Brownfinger wrote:
The OP is not interested in hearing the truth though.

Yeah maybe. Just trying to help.

Amanda Guido was purchased for 10 Billion in January this year by Nanna Kurvora, who was created 2 days earlier. So on the surface looks as though - new player joined game and bought mid skill point character thinking bigger and more expensive is better. Is now perhaps realising that skill points aren't as useful as player knowledge and skill and could by now be successfully having fun solo pvping on the original character without spending the 10B.


My other character was sold, Hellen Kurvora, for this character. My very first character Helena Vexar, is even older. I am not new, I do know how to fit, I do know the game mechanics.

When you form a fleet with a guy and he sees that you are flying a BS and says "why are you pvping in a BS, they are terrible in pvp", you know damn well there is an issue and it is not me.

Yeah no problems.

Helena Vexar is a 2009 character though. Not 2003.

I wasn't questioning your assertions, just observations. It's possible to roll alts at any point, so a 2015 character buying an older character can be a few things in the end.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#67 - 2015-10-05 02:51:58 UTC
Captain Brownfinger wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
I do know how to fit, I do know the game mechanics..


No you don't, you have proven you don't. Just because you say you have been around since '03 it does not mean you know anything. You may have actually played for a short while back then but you sure as hell didn't stick around long enough to learn anything at all

Battleships are just fine in PvP when used in their proper roles and not whatever role you think you should be able to shoehorn them into even if the role is completely wrong. Would you take a frigate to a POS Bash ? No, no you wouldn't and if you bring a battleship to a small gang or solo PvP it's the wrong place.


And what I am telling you is that even in large fleet battles, which you say is the limited role which they fit into, they bring very little to the table that other vessels can not do better, with more mobility, and less risk, with less loss.

Faction and t2 cruisers can pretty much match BS dps with better application, more mobility, smaller sig, faster lock time. Nobody flies BS anymore dude. There is a reason for that. They are terrible. They do have a role, its called lvl 4 missions and plexes. Get real
DEM0N SEEKER
VTX1300
#68 - 2015-10-05 02:59:11 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
When you say solo, is that real solo and no links?

What about implants? Drugs?

If you are going to make life hard on yourself by flying large ships that are slow, less agile and with less tracking than needed compared to your opponents, then you need to give yourself as much up front to even out those disadvantages and give yourself the best chance to be able to apply your DPS.

So if you aren't using snakes, appropriate combat boosters and a links alt, I'd suggest starting there.

The alternative aside from shipping down, would be to use a sniping ship (eg. ABC or Combat BC now) and use the advantage of long range to kill light tackle and other opponents before they ever reach you (there are many crazy people out there that will just click approach on you from range and have 0 transversal while they try to reach you).

Lastly, go watch all of Mr Hyde's YouTube videos and when you get blabbed anyone (because juicy), just link this video in local:

http://youtu.be/E5S4EU_Zprs


But don't you think its ridiculous that a bigger, more expensive ship needs to do all that extra just to be effective? Like, what is the point in even spending the extra money just to be LESS effective? Why even fly anything bigger when they are LESS capable and MORE expensive? That design philosophy is flawed, no?

you need to learn to pick your targets better. just because your in a bigger ship doesnt mean you auto win. try frig pvp and fight against frigs. i suggest starting from the bottom and work your way up. again learn to pick targets
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#69 - 2015-10-05 03:00:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
DEM0N SEEKER wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
When you say solo, is that real solo and no links?

What about implants? Drugs?

If you are going to make life hard on yourself by flying large ships that are slow, less agile and with less tracking than needed compared to your opponents, then you need to give yourself as much up front to even out those disadvantages and give yourself the best chance to be able to apply your DPS.

So if you aren't using snakes, appropriate combat boosters and a links alt, I'd suggest starting there.

The alternative aside from shipping down, would be to use a sniping ship (eg. ABC or Combat BC now) and use the advantage of long range to kill light tackle and other opponents before they ever reach you (there are many crazy people out there that will just click approach on you from range and have 0 transversal while they try to reach you).

Lastly, go watch all of Mr Hyde's YouTube videos and when you get blabbed anyone (because juicy), just link this video in local:

http://youtu.be/E5S4EU_Zprs


But don't you think its ridiculous that a bigger, more expensive ship needs to do all that extra just to be effective? Like, what is the point in even spending the extra money just to be LESS effective? Why even fly anything bigger when they are LESS capable and MORE expensive? That design philosophy is flawed, no?

you need to learn to pick your targets better. just because your in a bigger ship doesnt mean you auto win. try frig pvp and fight against frigs. i suggest starting from the bottom and work your way up. again learn to pick targets


I do a lot of frig pvp and I am good at it. But in a larger ship its tough to pick your battles. What ends up happening is you see a good fight, lock in, and 8 of his friends jump in. So unless you run from every fight, I mean, you cant do much.

Eve is all about mobility, bigger ships just dont have it. Thats why nobody flies them
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#70 - 2015-10-05 03:08:23 UTC
ITT bads teaching bads
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#71 - 2015-10-05 03:13:45 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:


And what I am telling you is that even in large fleet battles, which you say is the limited role which they fit into, they bring very little to the table that other vessels can not do better, with more mobility, and less risk, with less loss.

Faction and t2 cruisers can pretty much match BS dps with better application, more mobility, smaller sig, faster lock time. Nobody flies BS anymore dude. There is a reason for that. They are terrible. They do have a role, its called lvl 4 missions and plexes. Get real


My very existence proves you to be wrong.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#72 - 2015-10-05 03:19:29 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:


And what I am telling you is that even in large fleet battles, which you say is the limited role which they fit into, they bring very little to the table that other vessels can not do better, with more mobility, and less risk, with less loss.

Faction and t2 cruisers can pretty much match BS dps with better application, more mobility, smaller sig, faster lock time. Nobody flies BS anymore dude. There is a reason for that. They are terrible. They do have a role, its called lvl 4 missions and plexes. Get real


My very existence proves you to be wrong.


How is that sir?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#73 - 2015-10-05 03:26:05 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:


How is that sir?


My battleships out run the frigate fleets it takes part in and is fully able to hit them.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#74 - 2015-10-05 03:52:41 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:


How is that sir?


My battleships out run the frigate fleets it takes part in and is fully able to hit them.


well I think its safe to say most peoples BS cant outrun frigate fleets. I am not even sure how thats possible
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#75 - 2015-10-05 04:00:45 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
So given that paradigm, what role do the larger ships play when they struggle to counter anything but each other? Why even field them instead of a large amount of small ships?

bigger ships do more damage and have more hit points. in some ways they are more vulnerable to smaller ships, mostly in the tracking department. Also note a small ship under the guns of one big ship won't necessarily be under the guns of another larger ship. Also in the small ship's journey to get under the guns, it is vulnerable to getting blapped. a medium neut is like 1/3-1/2 of a frigs cap, and a heavy neut is pretty much a destroyer's cap

there are of course problem ships like the 60km point 8km/s snaked linked garmur, but that is going to **** off nearly everything solo.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#76 - 2015-10-05 04:06:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Amanda Guido wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:


How is that sir?


My battleships out run the frigate fleets it takes part in and is fully able to hit them.


well I think its safe to say most peoples BS cant outrun frigate fleets. I am not even sure how thats possible

Yeah it's possible.

We use this in our Alliance (7774 m/s with heat). ABC and not Battleship, but high speeds are possible. Just big tradeoffs for that speed too and you have to fly it effectively :

[Talos, Talos]

Damage Control II
Overdrive Injector System II
Overdrive Injector System II
Tracking Enhancer II
Tracking Enhancer II

500MN Cold-Gas Enduring Microwarpdrive
Warp Disruptor II
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script
Tracking Computer II, Tracking Speed Script

350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L
350mm Railgun II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge L

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

We often get a convo request from frigate pilots asking wtf?

I've never looked at what speeds a Baltec Megathron does, but if he says he has Battleships outrunning frigates I'd definitely believe him. He's one of the best known Battleship pilots in the game.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#77 - 2015-10-05 04:06:58 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:


How is that sir?


My battleships out run the frigate fleets it takes part in and is fully able to hit them.


well I think its safe to say most peoples BS cant outrun frigate fleets. I am not even sure how thats possible


Anyone can do what I do.
NovaCat13
Ember Interstellar Inc.
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#78 - 2015-10-05 04:37:16 UTC  |  Edited by: NovaCat13
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya man, that sucked balls. Got blobed in a plex in low sec and warping back into high sec a proteus at the gate insta locked me as I came out of warp. Real nice game mechanics


Um you Panic'd At the Disco, er died to a smart bomb... no lock required. But I guess that's been pointed out already... I'm just here for the popcorn.

Just say NO to Dailies
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#79 - 2015-10-05 05:52:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
NovaCat13 wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya man, that sucked balls. Got blobed in a plex in low sec and warping back into high sec a proteus at the gate insta locked me as I came out of warp. Real nice game mechanics


Um you Panic'd At the Disco, er died to a smart bomb... no lock required. But I guess that's been pointed out already... I'm just here for the popcorn.


Panic? I had hardly left warp and I was insta podded. There was no time to panic. I didn't even know what hit me. Love these newbs who come in here and think they know what happened when they were not present.
Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2015-10-05 05:52:30 UTC
Wow this month sk far.... (and its only the 5th guys. Five days)....

You have lost Five navy Exeqs at 400-500mill each. 1 thorax over 100mill, 1 hyp at a cool bill and 2 pods both over 1 and 1/2 bill.

Total over 8 billion isk in loses this month (like 4 days....)


In this time you have managed to kill 2 condors and a hookbil for like 30mill.



Wow.
Seriously you should prob just sell this toon and start a new 400k sp toon and do the tutorials.
You are just dense and ignorant and very very bad.

I am going to blow you up and pod you btw.
See you soon.