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Need advice with solo PVP

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Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#41 - 2015-10-03 16:26:17 UTC
If you want to fight frigates with a larger ship you need an anti-frigate fit. Cruisers and up aren't really designed for fighting frigates, they are designed for fighting cruisers and up. The obvious answer is neuts+webs+light drones, but you can even get gimmicky with it and fit light guns or missiles. Or try a cruiser like a Stabber, for example, which is known for being well equipped to draw frigates away from their fleet and kill them.

As with anything, fit your ship to be a specialized counter to the targets you plan to engage, then choose your fights accordingly. If you are fit for fighting battleships don't let frigates engage you.
Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners
#42 - 2015-10-03 16:49:45 UTC
The pod loss you are complaining about was due to smartbombs, not due to some broken game mechanic.

Are you sure you've been playing since 2003?

Looking at the fits of your lossmails, you have actually done the bare minimum for fighting frigates. Using a couple tracking enhancers and a couple faction webs are only going to help against less experienced frigate pilots.

Your fits look like you are trying to fit your ship to combat every possibility out there. You simply cannot do that while flying solo. Know what fights to run from.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2015-10-03 18:33:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Amanda Guido
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
If you want to fight frigates with a larger ship you need an anti-frigate fit. Cruisers and up aren't really designed for fighting frigates, they are designed for fighting cruisers and up. The obvious answer is neuts+webs+light drones, but you can even get gimmicky with it and fit light guns or missiles. Or try a cruiser like a Stabber, for example, which is known for being well equipped to draw frigates away from their fleet and kill them.

As with anything, fit your ship to be a specialized counter to the targets you plan to engage, then choose your fights accordingly. If you are fit for fighting battleships don't let frigates engage you.


Ya man, cuz I totes didn't know all that. Whats a web? Light drones, oh those things that pump out 90 dps unbonused!? Why didn't I think of that!!!??

F**king idiots
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#44 - 2015-10-03 18:35:24 UTC
Matrea D wrote:
The pod loss you are complaining about was due to smartbombs, not due to some broken game mechanic.

Are you sure you've been playing since 2003?

Looking at the fits of your lossmails, you have actually done the bare minimum for fighting frigates. Using a couple tracking enhancers and a couple faction webs are only going to help against less experienced frigate pilots.

Your fits look like you are trying to fit your ship to combat every possibility out there. You simply cannot do that while flying solo. Know what fights to run from.


What else besides TEs and faction webs is there?? The only thing I can think of is a neut, which obviously wont fit on that ship
Syeed Ameer Ali
Dirtbag Space Warriors Coming for yor Loots
#45 - 2015-10-03 20:22:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Syeed Ameer Ali
Amanda Guido wrote:
Syeed Ameer Ali wrote:
If you want to fight frigates with a larger ship you need an anti-frigate fit. Cruisers and up aren't really designed for fighting frigates, they are designed for fighting cruisers and up. The obvious answer is neuts+webs+light drones, but you can even get gimmicky with it and fit light guns or missiles. Or try a cruiser like a Stabber, for example, which is known for being well equipped to draw frigates away from their fleet and kill them.

As with anything, fit your ship to be a specialized counter to the targets you plan to engage, then choose your fights accordingly. If you are fit for fighting battleships don't let frigates engage you.


Ya man, cuz I totes didn't know all that. Whats a web? Light drones, oh those things that pump out 90 dps unbonused!? Why didn't I think of that!!!??

F**king idiots


You asked how to do it and I told you. What's your problem?

Frankly if you want to know how to kill frigates with a cruiser, you should start by trying to kill cruisers with frigates, and pay attention to how you die when you die. You seem to have gone straight from frigate vs frigate PvP directly to 500 million isk faction cruiser vs 10 man frigate/destroyer gang PvP without anything in between. Those were gangs that you never should have attempted to engage without first accepting the inevitable loss of your ship. I humbly suggest you try and kill some solo cruisers before you try to fly them.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#46 - 2015-10-03 20:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Oh, so I should dock at an station in enemy territory eh? Have you even played FW, you cant dock in enemy space you dumbass. You are forced to move around in your pod!


Hadn't realised you were in enemy territory. That makes your pod loss even more bewildering...in the sense that you were in a clone with a head full of implants in a place where you were very, very likely to lose it.

What? Aside from smart bombs, losing a pod in lowsec generally happens only because of a mistake or lag. Pods are very unlikely to be lost in lowsec.
MiSANTHR0PE
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#47 - 2015-10-03 21:11:37 UTC
Max Jaeger wrote:
MiSANTHR0PE wrote:
Max Jaeger wrote:


P.S. I'd appreciate the OP answering my previously posted question.


I don't know why anyone would reply to you, all the time you have that nasty tone and attitude.

Just saying.


Then why did you?

Just saying.


To let you know, you sound like a ****, pretty simple.
Yang Aurilen
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2015-10-03 22:14:05 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Real nice game mechanics


Aware this could happen.
Does nothing to mitigate it.
It happens.

Whines on GD that it's "game mechanics", not their own fail.

Real nice game attitude.

How about you beat it, sending me your stuff first?


LOL please tell me how I can avoid getting insta locked when I have hardly even left warp by an OP proteus with 9 sebos? Please tell me


Your ignorance of game mechanics is showing. I'm starting to think you're just an '15 char that jacked a credit card for plexes until you can afford an '03 toon along with hordes of battleship.

You got smartbombed m8. No need to lock you up. And before you even start whining about it being an exploit like ganking/bumping/killing you it's perfectly legal.

Post with your NPC alt main and not your main main alt!

Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners
#49 - 2015-10-03 22:23:49 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Matrea D wrote:
The pod loss you are complaining about was due to smartbombs, not due to some broken game mechanic.

Are you sure you've been playing since 2003?

Looking at the fits of your lossmails, you have actually done the bare minimum for fighting frigates. Using a couple tracking enhancers and a couple faction webs are only going to help against less experienced frigate pilots.

Your fits look like you are trying to fit your ship to combat every possibility out there. You simply cannot do that while flying solo. Know what fights to run from.


What else besides TEs and faction webs is there?? The only thing I can think of is a neut, which obviously wont fit on that ship


It will fit just fine if you drop a gun.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2015-10-03 22:26:00 UTC
Yang Aurilen wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Real nice game mechanics


Aware this could happen.
Does nothing to mitigate it.
It happens.

Whines on GD that it's "game mechanics", not their own fail.

Real nice game attitude.

How about you beat it, sending me your stuff first?


LOL please tell me how I can avoid getting insta locked when I have hardly even left warp by an OP proteus with 9 sebos? Please tell me


Your ignorance of game mechanics is showing. I'm starting to think you're just an '15 char that jacked a credit card for plexes until you can afford an '03 toon along with hordes of battleship.

You got smartbombed m8. No need to lock you up. And before you even start whining about it being an exploit like ganking/bumping/killing you it's perfectly legal.


As I stated earlier, I overlooked that in the killmail. It happened so fast I had no clue what happened. Did not see or hear the smartbomb pulse
Portmanteau
Iron Krosz
#51 - 2015-10-04 00:32:28 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
So I have been playing EVE since 2003 and like to think I have a pretty good grasp on pvp. I tend to like flying cruisers and above, I just like larger ships. But I am having a lot of trouble flying them in pvp. I fit my blaster boats with dual webs, tracking rigs, have max gunnery skills, fly manually to reduce angular, but every time I undock to go do some solo faction war, I get owned by every frigate I come across.

They have a tracking disruptor and AB fit, or they are kites and my drones can"t catch them, they are an interceptor and lock me down and laugh as their friends show up while Im hopeless to escape or defend myself. I lose ship after ship and go through millions of isk a session.

I understand the game mechanics of tracking and transversal, I fit my ships accordingly. But it is just hard counter after hard counter and loss after loss. I feel like I am being punished for not flying frigates. Help please. I want to enjoy the game, but every time I log in I am just stressing over losses

So you now have 2 threads in gd blaming your pvp short comings on eve's "bad tracking mechanics" . Will you start another when you inevitably get told it is your bad fits and tactics not eve that is the problem ?
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#52 - 2015-10-04 16:18:49 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Oh, so I should dock at an station in enemy territory eh? Have you even played FW, you cant dock in enemy space you dumbass. You are forced to move around in your pod!


Hadn't realised you were in enemy territory. That makes your pod loss even more bewildering...in the sense that you were in a clone with a head full of implants in a place where you were very, very likely to lose it.

What? Aside from smart bombs, losing a pod in lowsec generally happens only because of a mistake or lag. Pods are very unlikely to lose in lowsec.

... I've seen a lot of pods falling to Smartbomb camps or Santo himself.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2015-10-04 16:52:03 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:
Matrea D wrote:
The pod loss you are complaining about was due to smartbombs, not due to some broken game mechanic.

Are you sure you've been playing since 2003?

Looking at the fits of your lossmails, you have actually done the bare minimum for fighting frigates. Using a couple tracking enhancers and a couple faction webs are only going to help against less experienced frigate pilots.

Your fits look like you are trying to fit your ship to combat every possibility out there. You simply cannot do that while flying solo. Know what fights to run from.


What else besides TEs and faction webs is there?? The only thing I can think of is a neut, which obviously wont fit on that ship

Actually deploying your 5 bling hobgoblins you had in your navy Ex.
You know how small drones, particularly the bling ones eat frigates alive.

Good job keeping them in your drone bay.

Muat be bad game mechanics huh? Drones should auto deploy from the bay to defend you huh?
Damn broken game mevhanics that caused me to keep my only 5 frigate killing drones in the bay....



LOL god you are not good huh?

I have a Gall Fw alt. Ima awox the hell out of you if i see you htw
Max Jaeger
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#54 - 2015-10-04 18:57:08 UTC
MiSANTHR0PE wrote:
Max Jaeger wrote:
MiSANTHR0PE wrote:
Max Jaeger wrote:


P.S. I'd appreciate the OP answering my previously posted question.


I don't know why anyone would reply to you, all the time you have that nasty tone and attitude.

Just saying.


Then why did you?

Just saying.


To let you know, you sound like a ****, pretty simple.


Wasn't my intention to offend you (which I obviously somehow did?), just called BS when I saw it. The entire original post was and still is a contradiction with the poster further confirming my suspicions with each response. Not the original owner of a 2003 char, not even remotely familiar with PvP in Eve or the game's mechanics for that matter, not even a long-time Eve player (which would have known better than to post something like this). Ask genuine questions and get help/answers, do something like this post here and you will get people like me calling you out. Simple as that. Nothing personal.
Matrea D
Maggie's Magical Miners
#55 - 2015-10-04 20:49:48 UTC
Amanda Guido wrote:

As I stated earlier, I overlooked that in the killmail. It happened so fast I had no clue what happened. Did not see or hear the smartbomb pulse


So before checking your own killmail, you raged on the forums?

If you're the kind of pilot who doesn't take the time to analyze their own killmails before getting salty about "bad mechanics" on the forums, how likely is it that you will even listen to anyone here?

Every killmail should leave you with the question, "What did I do wrong here?"
Tipa Riot
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#56 - 2015-10-04 21:31:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tipa Riot
As long as you predictably fly bling fit mediocre ships solo, you will encounter hard-counter after hard-counter. Also posting here probably brought you on a lot of watchlists. Being solo means trick somebody into engaging you on unfavorable terms or force the fight on somebody on your own terms. Just waiting in a plex for fights and assuming you can win just by the stats of your ship does not work, especially if everybody knows your ship's fit and also have a very good reason to be after your wreck and pod.

I'm my own NPC alt.

Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#57 - 2015-10-04 22:54:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Tipa Riot wrote:
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Tank Murdock Jnr wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Oh, so I should dock at an station in enemy territory eh? Have you even played FW, you cant dock in enemy space you dumbass. You are forced to move around in your pod!


Hadn't realised you were in enemy territory. That makes your pod loss even more bewildering...in the sense that you were in a clone with a head full of implants in a place where you were very, very likely to lose it.

What? Aside from smart bombs, losing a pod in lowsec generally happens only because of a mistake or lag. Pods are very unlikely to lose in lowsec.

... I've seen a lot of pods falling to Smartbomb camps or Santo himself.

Yeah me too. I've been hit by Santo, Piir8 and a couple of others on different characters, being lazy and warping straight up gate in my pod. That's why I included that in my post.

Santo and the Copycats are a hazard in Black Rise and Essence in particular.

Aside from that though, losing a pod isn't a "very, very likely" event.
Amanda Guido
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2015-10-04 23:12:03 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Amanda Guido wrote:
Matrea D wrote:
The pod loss you are complaining about was due to smartbombs, not due to some broken game mechanic.

Are you sure you've been playing since 2003?

Looking at the fits of your lossmails, you have actually done the bare minimum for fighting frigates. Using a couple tracking enhancers and a couple faction webs are only going to help against less experienced frigate pilots.

Your fits look like you are trying to fit your ship to combat every possibility out there. You simply cannot do that while flying solo. Know what fights to run from.


What else besides TEs and faction webs is there?? The only thing I can think of is a neut, which obviously wont fit on that ship

Actually deploying your 5 bling hobgoblins you had in your navy Ex.
You know how small drones, particularly the bling ones eat frigates alive.

Good job keeping them in your drone bay.

Muat be bad game mechanics huh? Drones should auto deploy from the bay to defend you huh?
Damn broken game mevhanics that caused me to keep my only 5 frigate killing drones in the bay....



LOL god you are not good huh?

I have a Gall Fw alt. Ima awox the hell out of you if i see you htw


Ya, its not like I was drawing them in and launching them to avoid loss of the drones right? Nobody does that in pvp, right? Oh and that 106 dps they do is super uber against frigates right? Just shut the **** up, you are embarrassing yourself
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#59 - 2015-10-04 23:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Amanda Guido wrote:
Ya, its not like I was drawing them in and launching them to avoid loss of the drones right? Nobody does that in pvp, right? Oh and that 106 dps they do is super uber against frigates right? Just shut the **** up, you are embarrassing yourself

Looking at your killboard, one other thing I'd add to my earlier posts about giving your self the best advantage is move away from the Old Man Star -> Tama pipe and don't take Battleships to Kinakka solo (home of Waffles).

When I first started pvp I stupidly moved into Siseide (as a 6 day old character) and when that was too hot after about 3 weeks I thought I'd move closer to my Corp and so moved into Heydieles (was exclusively solo pvping at the time so I could get some experience and feel like I could join them in fleet ops).

That whole pipe from Heydieles up to Tama, whether you go via Abune or via Fliet, is a small gang Mecca. Vox, Soul Takers, Galmil, Calmil, Shadow Cartel to a degree, roaming gangs etc..

As a solo pilot flying large, slow, brawling ships; it's just about the most difficult area I could think to move into. You can fly cruiser sized kiting ships (eg. Cerberus) successfully in that area because they give you more 'gtfo' ability and their speed helps, but flying brawling navy exeqs is always going to be difficult.

I'd suggest moving to a different area, to find systems where you'll be able to find more 1v1 situations and/or gangs of pilots with less skill than Vox, SC, Spaceship Bebop, Villore Accords, etc.

The pipe from Agoze to Vlillirier for example (although Snuffed Out are now in Vey and a couple of groups have moved into Eugales, it's still a better pipe for solo fights). From Melmaniel through to Hevrice can also be ok for solo pvp, though it often contains FW plexing alts. You could move further north though with Brave moving into Kehjari and Horde being in W-4NUU/Okagaiken there's a lot of gangs moving through there too now. Essentially, just about anywhere would be better than OMS -> Tama for the type of pvp you want to concentrate on.

Just my 0.02c having soloed in that area for a long time too. Loss is going to happen more than wins if you persist with large slow brawling ships in the current meta. In something like a Exeq Navy, a small ship can easily hold you down while their backup arrives.

I'd also suggest, if you want to be able to chase off light tackle, switch out the 'augmented' hobgoblins for T2 Warriors or Acolytes. The hobs have the higher DPS, but the speed of the Warriors in particular will give them an easier time against a tackle frigate if you are trying to get it off you.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#60 - 2015-10-05 00:06:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Actually, my last response was probably not totally honest. If I was totally honest I would have said:

Your current choice of ships and style of pvp is not viable in lowsec FW at the moment. You would be far better to change what you are doing.

Slow, brawling cruisers haven't really been viable since mid-late 2013 as a solo platform that is going to get you a lot of fights.

Any frigate that engages you is only going to do so because they can win or have backup. Everything else will warp off. Cruisers that engage you will know that they can win and/or have backup. Destroyers are in a really strong place at the moment, so many of them will engage you because they can beat you without raising a sweat.

Change ships and style and it's possible to even solo ok in that OMS -> Tama area.

Even switching from an Exeq Navy Issue to a Vexor Navy Issue would be an improvement, but still not a great choice for solo pvp currently. But, if you are looking for lots of good fights, those choices are a recipe for failure.