Assembly Hall

Well, we know the PvE plans at least... namely the Tribute system.

And I have to say, "thanks but it won't work, because Economy 101"

If you artificially increase the monetary mass, prices adjust to the rise and inflation kicks in until purchasing power diminishes.

If CCP tells the Market that PvErs are going to get a n% flat increase in their income, the Market will mark up prices to exploit that extra income. This will mess with the purchasing power of people who don't do combat PvE. Can a miner buy a replacement Exhumer if the price goes up proportionally to how much more are earning the Level 4 runners? Even worst, those who will be hit harder are the newer players, who don't have savings to afford higher prices and since they're running Level 1s and 2s can't compete with prices marked up to the extra income for Level 4s.

I know it's everything in the air and very theorical still, but whereas the concept is good (reward player activity) the implementation looks catastrophically wrong since it appears to ignore some essentials of human behavior. You shouldn't start with a square wheel and then "improve" it so it turns better...

I am a staunch highsec PvEr, and I don't need more ISK. What I need are the mechanics to leave a footprint in the universe and generate PvE content for me and other players, by playing my way.

What about low FW is not all lowsec... or maby it will be with the 4 way FW ?

As far as tributes, I have no idea what that is.

Are they just paying out more isk for all pve except mining?

Are they paying more isk if you do more pve in a single day?

They said it is like dust, but I don't play dust, so I am not sure what that means. Is there another post or or session that I should read to understand what this is?

So we get a splash of ISK when we complete the first dungeon of the day and the next ones pay nothing? Well, that certainly would prevent inflation due to inceased revenue for PvE as the increase would be neglectable.

Dust has rotating dailies, one of which is usually "Win one battle" and rewards a key for their ridiculous lockboxes. Other objectives include killing X amount of people, getting X amount of assists, that kind of thing. Sounds like they want to do a similar thing with complexes in EVE, Complete X and get Y. No idea why they think it will work. If content isn't worth undocking for now, a handful of isk isn't going to change that fact. Sounds to me like a band-aid to cover the festering wound that is the rest of EVE's content while they continue to fix null.

And by "dungeon" they mean any PvE combat content, agent missions included, right?

So did I understand it correctly? the fw goals from day 4:

-suspect timer for entering plex

-TD3s out of small plexes

-you can join fw even if your corp does not

-decouple fw and standing

-webbing npcs in missions

-4 way war

-Using fw as testing ground for more intelligent AI and engaging PVE generally all over eve(That is how I understand theese roaming patrols?)

-not change any fw mechanic untill the PVE test experiment is over.

If this is the case then at least I know why FW and PVE was in the same session

I will give CCP the benefit of the doubt, and wait and see how this plays out. I am mildly disappointed and nervous though that at lot of the concerns that fw players and some of the CSM raised, is basically answered by CCP with " good point, but we won't look at it, because I am sure theese NPCs will solve this"(NPCs taking care of stabbed farmers ). I am not convinced this is the way solve the problems of FW. It still seems like the wrong medicine to me. Naively one could think that having more people doing PVE in FW space will lead to more PVP, but I think all the farming in FW has shown the opposite. FW people get tired of hunting people who do not want to be engaged. To engage in casual PVP is why a lot of people joined fw in the first place.

Out of interest does this resumé of the FW session include all the discussion that went on about FW and PVE, or are a lot of stuff omitted?

FW plex acceleration gates should refuse ships with Warp Core Stabs. These are dedicated combat sites not LP farming spots. If you want to farm LP go and do missions. Is that simple. Fights between opposing militias, fights for plexes should decide who owns the system not stabbed farmers. I really can't comprehend how this can not be fixed.

The most sad thing in FW! >CLICK<

Listed under business?? What do we talking about here?

We have both been asking for this for a few years now.

Here is the link were I quote CCP Fozzie saying they still wanted to have rollbacks in October 2012. It just seems to have slipped through the cracks.


https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=4928440#post4928440

Here is one a several assembly hall requests asking them to do the plex timer rollbacks.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=253352&find=unread

I think this combined with a real-time intel tool to tell when plexes are being taken and, fw sov would truly be an amazing pvp game.


CCP keeps asking about new players and faction war. But they should understand that many of their core players who have been playing for years love the small scale pvp fw can bring. And both new and veteran players would benefit from a fun and challenging fw sov system.

New players are also disappointed that no one in fw really cares about who is winning sov.

T3D are getting kicked out of small complexes

The problem is with the ship class, not where they can and can't go. It can be narrowed down specifically to the Svipul, which is still quite broken. I'm actually fine with T3Ds in smalls, but bringing their access in line with T3Cs is still a good idea.

FW missions are being reworked by CCP Red Dawn

There wasn't much to go on other than "throw some webs at it." Removing bombers from the equation only encourages people to run missions in cloak-fitted Ishtars, which are at even less risk than a bomber. Nigh on invulnerable on gates thanks to the Coak+MWD trick, by the time you've noticed them opening a mission, they've volleyed the NPC off the field and are leaving system. You're also raising the bar significantly for new players, expecting them to shell out for a HAC instead of a bomber. It would have made a lot more sense to make all of the racial missions runnable by bombers, especially since i believe only one race struggles to do so.

FW based NPC patrols are being added

While I like the idea as a bit of fluff, I fail to see how these convoys will act as a magic bullet for all of FW's woes. How exactly will these NPCs deal with both High-Sec gate camps and the swarms of stabbed/unfit farmers spread across both war zones? Short answer, they won't.

These convoy's will fight each other

That's nice. How does that help anyone?

Allowing individuals to enroll in FW without the entire corp/alliance having to go

Just no. Why would this need to be a thing? So your alts can quickly dip in and farm some LP without screwing up their employment history? Kill this quick.

Maybe making it easier to change militia with the standings stuff up to decoupling standings and being in the militia.

See above. Stupid idea. Militia membership should mean something, not be an allegiance you throw away the moment your opponent looks more profitable. You should be encouraging people to stick with their militia, not making it easier for farmers to switch sides. This is ignoring the obvious blue-on-blue shenanigans that standing hits help to keep in check.

4 way war between militia. It is a true 4 way war not just the removal of allies.

Without quick and easy access to their space, why should I care about capturing Amarr/Minmatar systems?

Suspect flagging when entering FW complexes.

I've made my opinion quite clear on this already, so I won't repeat myself here.

Frankly, I'm disappointed. The level of ignorance displayed concerning FW by CSM members is staggering. I don't believe I've ever heard anyone suggest combat ships should be prevented from fitting stabs. Just what do you use your FW alts for if you think PVP here is the same as anywhere else? I think the brief discussion about LP made that quite clear.

CCP fared little better. "Oh yeah, that's an issue, but we're not fixing it." You never cease to amaze me.