Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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You're not even trying to discuss the idea anymore.. and it would be best staying on topic.

That's because there wasn't one. Welcome to a discussion with Dror.

Actually, implants have stopped a lot of people from pvp.
See, clone prices really only effected those players with a high amount of SP, while implant costs stopped those with a low amount of SP.


SP has been deemed by the new player and the old player as one of the most, if not the most, important thing in Eve.
Many large and/or intriguing entities in Eve has a SP requirement in order to join.
There's also the fleet doctrines that require set skills at set numbers.

Then there's just the general isk making of Eve.

In basically everything you do in Eve, more SP is always better, even if that SP is not directed at a specific task, as versatility is always better.


The removal of attribute implants would GREATLY increase pvp activity.

Yes, there are those players that are risk averse, but at a certain point, no one cares about losing a frig with a empty clone.
If you remove att implants, that point will basically be from day one.


I will say, one of the first things I learned in Eve (apart from not solo can mining, and not shooting at the guy taking your can, and/or trying to take your stuff back after he flips is) is to get +3 implants pronto.
Get rid of them..


Edit...

I probably should have also spoken my opinion on the topic of this thread.
Personally, I'm against the idea. It would be awesome, but I probably would have a reason to keep my subscription.
When I was a newbro, I scanned down a Golem and it determined my path for the first 2 years or so.
If I didn't have that, it would have been maybe 6 months to earn the isk, and I then would have had no reason to continue playing.

Now, one thing I do agree on is that the soft wall skills, such as engineering, gunnery, etc. etc. etc., are pointless.
I feel they should just be removed, as they only hinder a newbro from getting into the game sooner, while having no effect on vets, as they trained them when they were new, and they provide no general merit that couldn't have been placed elsewhere.
All they did was force you to train a skill in order to be able to train a skill to fit a module.

It seems like a bunch of gibberish.

Yet, what I've stated is clear. There's a helpfulness about the ability to play the game with how expectations come -- that it's a sandbox (on the level of B-R) which is non-linear.

No it is really simple:

CCP Rise: You create a character that in effect has a fixed amount of SP that can be injected and allocated, the amount of SP is large (e.g. up to 20 million SP). Skills these SP could be applied to would be limited (i.e. you couldn't use it to create an industry alt that will never leave station). When you die, it is all gone, for good. Along with this you'd have a suspect timer all the time, and podding mechanics would change so these guys could be podded in HS. No additional training.

Dror: Simply remove all SP for everything, for everybody, everywhere. If you get podded you come back to the same thing.

They are very different proposals, to pretend they are the same is silly.

Moon goo. Standard production of moon goo has damn little to do with SP. Once you have the SP to set up a POS, that's it. Production of moon goo does not go up as any skills go up.

The only release valve would be alchemy. And the only time I used alchemy was when technetium prices were horribly out of whack.

CCP Rise's suggestion would be an option for players who are more casual in terms of play. They have a rather specific thing in mind they want to do...so here is a new option.

Note, it will almost surely be used by long term players who will know about various niche forms of play and have a free slot on an existing account to use this option.

A brand new player will not know that stuff. At all.

So I see CCP Rises idea as more of a way to improve existing player retention. It will likely have very little impact on new players.

As for moon goo prices possibly rising alot driving content/conflict. No. Back when technetium was sky high it resulted in a cartel and OTEC an agreement between the holders of tech moons not to go after each other's tech moons and even for mutual defense. So we have at least one historical example that says, "No!" Unless you consider an in game cartel and the negotiations for such to be good game play. I don't as I was not involved in said negotiations and only a handful of players were.

Seriously, I suspect Dror is your alt....how long have you, the player, been in game? Don't care who your main is....just curious how far back your information goes.

the whole skilling aspect to me is rubbish. Its just a way to keep you playing and ties you in more. I would like the skills to go up based on how much you actually use something, mods, ships etc. The more you use it the higher your skill levels.

Instead of removing skills, remove tresholds for T2 modules and ships? Newbro will fly golem, but will he fly it effectively?