EVE General Discussion

I don't know why I keep posting in this thread.

After actually taking some time and properly going over all your recent KMs..
Try not fitting brawling weapons when the local enemies are kiting you to death. Example. Thorax vs Thorax.. neutrons vs 150mm rails. Rails will out range you indefinitely. It doesn't matter how much tracking you have. You will never be able to get close enough to do anything with that tracking. This is called a failure to adapt and apply.
Funny thing is... dual 150mm railguns do 50 less dps than neutron blasters with navy AM. Also if math was used youd find out that due to the extended optimal the dual 150s actually have HIGHER TRACKING at their optimal usage range. IE more damage actually hits.. and hits farther away. Welcome to rock paper scissors.

Also try getting friends.

No you don't know what you are doing. These are basic concepts. Us telling you fits means jack and sh*t when almost every single KM you have is mostly because your enemies fight outside your optimal and use ships pretty much designed to murder fits EXACTLY like yours.

Adapt or die. The only truth of eve PVP.

He's not dumb, he's telling you how it is.

You will rarely know what tactics and fits other players will use; you can take a damn good guess at it if you're familiar with the capabilities of the ships they're flying, how they're commonly fitted etc. Adapt your fits and tactics to what is being commonly used against you.

Maybe you should use the right tool for the job in the first place.

Of course there is no way of knowing how someone has fitted their ship, but you can make a good guess. If you're solo you'll always be at a disadvantage if they have friends.

If you want predictable enemies I suggest you switch your focus to missions.

Yet it works for many

You're right there is no way to know who and what you're up against; what you can do is pick your fights, like the guys that keep killing you are obviously doing.

You keep saying use rails, but rails have the exact opposite weakness. In a cruiser you will rarely be able to outrun a frigate. So anything that moves faster then you will simply get in under your guns. You will have the exact reverse problem.

I understand blasters come with a huge weakness with their limited range, I'm trying to find a way to surmount that problem

I already told you how.

OP you are right that there is no reason to field anything larger than a frigate or destroyer and you can see this is true by the ships used in pvp. Battleship tracking problems are actually a combination of two/ three things. First battleships are gimped on mobility (speed and agility), secondly their weapons are gimped on tracking so they can't hit the faster small ships, and thirdly large turrets sig resolution further prevents them from hitting small targets. Is one of these not enough to give frigates a fighting chance against larger ships? As it is now a battleship cannot (except certain hulls) make enough fitting sacrifices to boost everything it needs to up to reasonable levels.

THIS! I use this tactic with my autocanon mach and it works like a dream. if any frigates manage to get to me after the jump they are already so close to dead that my drones will finish them off easliy.

BS thrive on tanking and are most effective against what they can hit with turrets. That's the point of them, stacking for incredible amounts of dps and tank simultaneously. They serve as the middle man, Picking off Cruisers, Battle-cruisers, Other BS, and at times... doctrines for hitting smaller capitals or larger (Bhaalgorn is one example).

That is not a bad list of advisable targets... as far as choices; It's really quite amazing! They have a low price tag with a proper doctrine and can absolutely knock the stuffing out of smaller and larger ships in a gang: where they shine. I have to say though, Most BS pilots could not care less to fight frigs and in turn frigs can acquire a list of targets in the same way battleships can, only slightly different...

Instead of having their desirable target range fit that of battleships, capping off at cruisers and not engaging smaller adversaries; The frigate starts to teeter off when engaging capital ships because of the sheer amount of remote rep, sponge, and deadly drone ability. Not only that but huge frig gangs for such things require a massive amount of players. Fielding is a chore and other ships on grid will cut them down very quickly in most cases unless you are running bombers.

The other thing to fear as a frig pilot are specialized sniping gangs. You know just as well as I do, how fast frigs can drop to these, but, often it is ignored because the average value of a frig kill makes fitting for them undesirable and a waste of time (unless pods are taken into accountability)

Are BS turrets meant to hit smaller ships? Not at all. Can they? CERTAINLY! ...if a doctrine calls for it or if it is your desire to fight a small target with something as slow as a bag of rocks which can be pinned down and annihilated like an MMA fighter trying to punch a swarm of killer bees to death.

Rubbish. Just about every battleship is viable for either solo or small gang work, the main issue is people refuse to take the time and losses in learning how to pilot them.

Carrie, try not to be a fu8k tard. The drones were in my bay because they were targeting and picking them off, so I used the return and deploy tactic. I just happened to die with them in my hold.