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Level 4 Security missions - ISK/Hour?

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#81 - 2015-09-28 02:08:03 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#82 - 2015-09-28 02:45:19 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
I hope this is true (I haven't tested it yet) with my SOE faction standings at 7.97, 6.21, 5.43, 4.89, 4.55 and 3.09 respectively on my chars. How high do your SOE faction standings need to be for you to have this impunity you speak of?

as long as it is over 5 you can pull lv4 missions. I'd suggest building in a little buffer, as every decline does have a small faction standing impact it slowly erodes, but by running storyline missions should keep it at a decent level

Daniela Doran wrote:

yea, it is kinda annoying. That said it is pretty blitzable, should probably figure it out someday.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#83 - 2015-09-28 07:52:47 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
I hope this is true (I haven't tested it yet) with my SOE faction standings at 7.97, 6.21, 5.43, 4.89, 4.55 and 3.09 respectively on my chars. How high do your SOE faction standings need to be for you to have this impunity you speak of?

as long as it is over 5 you can pull lv4 missions. I'd suggest building in a little buffer, as every decline does have a small faction standing impact it slowly erodes, but by running storyline missions should keep it at a decent level

Daniela Doran wrote:

yea, it is kinda annoying. That said it is pretty blitzable, should probably figure it out someday.

My faction standing has increased actually, up to 8.4 atm, and thats without running every storyline even.

Also the problem with blockade in my experience is that not only is the trigger random (not always easily spotted at least) but that the trigger ship is usually one of 4 or even 5 identical ships. You have to go through 4 triggers I think it was? to get to the end trifgger and each one spawns a lot of extra BS. Maybe the Angel blockade with a sniping RS?

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#84 - 2015-09-28 15:06:40 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:


I hope this is true (I haven't tested it yet) with my SOE faction standings at 7.97, 6.21, 5.43, 4.89, 4.55 and 3.09 respectively on my chars. How high do your SOE faction standings need to be for you to have this impunity you speak of?



No idea, sorry - but in a couple of months of running missions (and declining others with the aforesaid impunity - my SoE standing has dropped from about 8.6 to the current 8.3/4 (can't remember offhand what it is now exactly). A really, really, tiny dip relative to the number of missions declined! Of course, my SoE corp standings are absolute ****, but who cares about them, right? Big smile


Bear in mind that my current standing is wholly from derived standings modifications from running Gal/Min missions...I've helped the Frenchies and slaves out a lot!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#85 - 2015-09-28 15:11:35 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:



I love the Serpentis and Angel versions, but because of the TD and neuting I can't stand the Blood version. To each their own, I guess!

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#86 - 2015-09-28 15:19:48 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:



I love the Serpentis and Angel versions, but because of the TD and neuting I can't stand the Blood version. To each their own, I guess!


Paladin. That is all.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#87 - 2015-09-28 16:00:43 UTC
Estella Osoka wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:



I love the Serpentis and Angel versions, but because of the TD and neuting I can't stand the Blood version. To each their own, I guess!


Paladin. That is all.

Rattlesnake

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Ginger Longrun
Ascendance
Goonswarm Federation
#88 - 2015-09-28 21:51:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Ginger Longrun
Totally off topic as Im here to brag about my new barghest PVE fit (I ditched the rattlesnake)

Highs - 7 polarized torps
meds - mwd / mjd/ blue x-l booster / blue boost amp / 2 extron
lows - 4 caldari ballistics / 1 nanofiber / 1 prototype hyperspatial
rigs - 3xlarge hyperspatial II

Since Ill be only shooting only BS's with it, I will use rage torps with a dps of exactly 1700 with my skills and implants at 26km - more than enough for its purpose

Aligns as fast as my machariel in 7,2, 1608 sub non-oh speed and warps at xactly 5 AU

Those who know the purpose of this will understand and apreciate it P


Cheers o/

Edit - skills are with Torp spec 4 cald BS 4
Estella Osoka
Perkone
Caldari State
#89 - 2015-09-28 21:55:26 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Estella Osoka wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:



I love the Serpentis and Angel versions, but because of the TD and neuting I can't stand the Blood version. To each their own, I guess!


Paladin. That is all.

Rattlesnake


I'll take EWAR immunity and 1200 dps over the Rattlesnake any day. I like my dps applied instantly.
Market McSelling Alt
Doomheim
#90 - 2015-09-28 22:27:21 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
I hope this is true (I haven't tested it yet) with my SOE faction standings at 7.97, 6.21, 5.43, 4.89, 4.55 and 3.09 respectively on my chars. How high do your SOE faction standings need to be for you to have this impunity you speak of?

as long as it is over 5 you can pull lv4 missions. I'd suggest building in a little buffer, as every decline does have a small faction standing impact it slowly erodes, but by running storyline missions should keep it at a decent level

Daniela Doran wrote:

yea, it is kinda annoying. That said it is pretty blitzable, should probably figure it out someday.

My faction standing has increased actually, up to 8.4 atm, and thats without running every storyline even.

Also the problem with blockade in my experience is that not only is the trigger random (not always easily spotted at least) but that the trigger ship is usually one of 4 or even 5 identical ships. You have to go through 4 triggers I think it was? to get to the end trifgger and each one spawns a lot of extra BS. Maybe the Angel blockade with a sniping RS?



Shocked

Your faction standings can't increase without doing storylines or epic arcs (which are also storylines).

Roll

CCP Quant: Of all those who logon in Eve, 1.5% do Incursions, 13.8% PVP and 19.2% run Missions while 22.4% mine.

40.7% Join a fleet. The idea that Eve is a PVP game is false, the social fabric is in Missions and Mining.

Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#91 - 2015-09-28 22:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Market McSelling Alt wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:


yea, it is kinda annoying. That said it is pretty blitzable, should probably figure it out someday.
My faction standing has increased actually, up to 8.4 atm, and thats without running every storyline even.

Also the problem with blockade in my experience is that not only is the trigger random (not always easily spotted at least) but that the trigger ship is usually one of 4 or even 5 identical ships. You have to go through 4 triggers I think it was? to get to the end trifgger and each one spawns a lot of extra BS. Maybe the Angel blockade with a sniping RS?



Shocked

Your faction standings can't increase without doing storylines or epic arcs (which are also storylines).

Roll

Read that again.

Quote:
My faction standing has increased actually, up to 8.4 atm, and thats without running every storyline even.


Roll

(I run some storyline missions, in case it's not clear)

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#92 - 2015-09-29 00:44:00 UTC
"without running every" is not the same as not running any. I had 9.9 faction standings for a while, running missions that way just isn't worth it. I mean yay 2 run cnr bpc!?

and yea taking a break to run combat storylines is a slight isk/hour drop, although some can reward or drop implants worth a decent amount. and spending a few hours a month to maintain standings meh, still making more isk than most activities. If someone has a better way to track these stats let me know. Just remember I'm really freaking lazy.

I usually run all week and spend one day doing storylines. a bunch will be couriers so they get removed, mats for war, I'll usually run them when I have 5 or so or one is about to expire, and at ~15m for 5 mins they aren't bad, and easy to multitask them. combat story lines sometimes I run them sometimes I don't. A few weeks back I took an hour and a half to run 5 combat storylines. I remember being a little disappointed with the isk, but I looked and saw I had 80m+ in implants (now if only the mining foreman mindlink was still over a bil)

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#93 - 2015-09-29 03:30:32 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:


I hope this is true (I haven't tested it yet) with my SOE faction standings at 7.97, 6.21, 5.43, 4.89, 4.55 and 3.09 respectively on my chars. How high do your SOE faction standings need to be for you to have this impunity you speak of?



No idea, sorry - but in a couple of months of running missions (and declining others with the aforesaid impunity - my SoE standing has dropped from about 8.6 to the current 8.3/4 (can't remember offhand what it is now exactly). A really, really, tiny dip relative to the number of missions declined! Of course, my SoE corp standings are absolute ****, but who cares about them, right? Big smile


Bear in mind that my current standing is wholly from derived standings modifications from running Gal/Min missions...I've helped the Frenchies and slaves out a lot!



I see. So as long as your faction standings with SOE is above 5.0, you can still do SOE lev 4 missions regardless how low your SOE Corp standings go?
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#94 - 2015-09-29 03:58:35 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:


I hope this is true (I haven't tested it yet) with my SOE faction standings at 7.97, 6.21, 5.43, 4.89, 4.55 and 3.09 respectively on my chars. How high do your SOE faction standings need to be for you to have this impunity you speak of?



No idea, sorry - but in a couple of months of running missions (and declining others with the aforesaid impunity - my SoE standing has dropped from about 8.6 to the current 8.3/4 (can't remember offhand what it is now exactly). A really, really, tiny dip relative to the number of missions declined! Of course, my SoE corp standings are absolute ****, but who cares about them, right? Big smile


Bear in mind that my current standing is wholly from derived standings modifications from running Gal/Min missions...I've helped the Frenchies and slaves out a lot!



I see. So as long as your faction standings with SOE is above 5.0, you can still do SOE lev 4 missions regardless how low your SOE Corp standings go?


Within limits.

Keep Corporation and Agent Standing above -2.0 and, providing your faction stays above 5.0, you are fine to do level IV agents indefinitely.

If your Corporation standing drops to -2.0 or lower you will only able to do Level 1 Agents for that corp regardless of Faction standings.

If your Agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, that specific Agent will no longer be available. This will be VERY hard to repair, you will need to fleet up with someone doing missions with that agent.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#95 - 2015-09-29 05:18:42 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:

I see. So as long as your faction standings with SOE is above 5.0, you can still do SOE lev 4 missions regardless how low your SOE Corp standings go?

So they learn, finally. (it's stated plainly in any blitzing guide)

Just keep modified agent standing above -2 (corp standings seems to be higher generally for some reason). The reason why it works is because the lower your standing the less declining mission effect agent standing and the more completing missions effect it. It will seesaw from -1 at worst to 3-4 in my experience. Social skills need to be at LEAST at 4, preferably 5.

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#96 - 2015-09-29 16:39:45 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:


I hope this is true (I haven't tested it yet) with my SOE faction standings at 7.97, 6.21, 5.43, 4.89, 4.55 and 3.09 respectively on my chars. How high do your SOE faction standings need to be for you to have this impunity you speak of?



No idea, sorry - but in a couple of months of running missions (and declining others with the aforesaid impunity - my SoE standing has dropped from about 8.6 to the current 8.3/4 (can't remember offhand what it is now exactly). A really, really, tiny dip relative to the number of missions declined! Of course, my SoE corp standings are absolute ****, but who cares about them, right? Big smile


Bear in mind that my current standing is wholly from derived standings modifications from running Gal/Min missions...I've helped the Frenchies and slaves out a lot!



I see. So as long as your faction standings with SOE is above 5.0, you can still do SOE lev 4 missions regardless how low your SOE Corp standings go?


Yes indeed.

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Kristy
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#97 - 2015-10-02 18:42:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Kristy
im flying a t1/t2 raven.
370 dps omnitank, 600 dps with drones.
fairly cheap boat für m4.
never lost one ;) and i dont blitz.

my ticks are between 1-10m isk.

ist not much but enugh for a not perfect skilled char.
thought many times for incursion, but wehn i listed i had to wait for hours to get in
and in this time i logged out and get nothing for the shipfit and waiting time.
so i went back to missions, exploring and mining.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#98 - 2015-10-02 20:03:15 UTC
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Within limits.

Keep Corporation and Agent Standing above -2.0 and, providing your faction stays above 5.0, you are fine to do level IV agents indefinitely.

If your Corporation standing drops to -2.0 or lower you will only able to do Level 1 Agents for that corp regardless of Faction standings.

If your Agent standing drops to -2.00 or lower, that specific Agent will no longer be available. This will be VERY hard to repair, you will need to fleet up with someone doing missions with that agent.

With an alt it is very easy. however I've never had to use an alt to recover standings. I have used alts to boost initial standing, but for every day operations it isn't really needed.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Morgan Agrivar
Doomheim
#99 - 2015-10-03 19:42:59 UTC
Then I guess I suck at mission running too. Running L4s in a Machariel, I seem to be hitting around the 20-30m isk an hour (not blitzing). I don't have perfect Mach skills but I am trying to get them there. Less than a week for T2 Large Projectile Turrets but I see where it says you can get 80-100m isk an hour blitzing. I guess I am just not that good then because I am not getting anywhere near that amount.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#100 - 2015-10-03 20:23:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Anize Oramara
Morgan Agrivar wrote:
Then I guess I suck at mission running too. Running L4s in a Machariel, I seem to be hitting around the 20-30m isk an hour (not blitzing). I don't have perfect Mach skills but I am trying to get them there. Less than a week for T2 Large Projectile Turrets but I see where it says you can get 80-100m isk an hour blitzing. I guess I am just not that good then because I am not getting anywhere near that amount.

Blitzing is all about the LP. If you're not getting good isk/lp (1500+) then you're missing out on the majority of isk. If you include burner missions you should be able to hit 200mill

A guide (Google Doc) to Hi-Sec blitzing and breaking the 200mill ISK/H barrier v1.2.3