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NEWC entry : On the faith and the holy practice of Self Flagellation
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Shaddam Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2015-09-30 17:48:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaddam Daphiti
The flesh is like unto a wayward child. It seeks pleasures and seeks only after it's wants and needs, making no distinction between the two. Therefore like a wayward nation the flesh too must be mastered for the glorification of and to be a suitable tool of the Lord. Therefore hear the wisdom of the ages passed down the generations.

If your foot causes you to sin, strike it... a moments pain in walking is nothing to the eternal suffering of separation from God.
If your eye leads you astray, pluck it out. So that you may focus on His true light.

It is by pain that the flesh learns it's reflexes, therefore train the flesh with pain.

Do not do so like the Matari shaman.. who lets his scars be shown for his own glorification among his tribe! Your suffering is for your own betterment, it is for no ones eyes but God!

You and God together are responsible for the mastery of your flesh! Do not seek to correct the flesh of others when your own is vile and depraved! The Holder is not correcting the slaves flesh but rather his spirit when the lash must be applied.

Finally apply mercy when correcting the flesh, as God has shown Amarr mercy by allowing them to be His messengers in a fallen universe. Cutting off the hand leaved one crippled, striking it corrects it's ways.

Amen!
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#2 - 2015-09-30 19:46:17 UTC
What is the point of punishing things that are not responsible for their own doing and if you consider brain as "flesh" do you punish it by striking too, just like with your foot example?
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#3 - 2015-09-30 19:59:54 UTC
By the winds what in the absolute fuckery am i reading.....
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#4 - 2015-09-30 20:05:51 UTC
Amen.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#5 - 2015-09-30 20:09:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
Statement retracted out of respect of the New Eden Writing contest and its participants

Oops
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2015-09-30 20:15:09 UTC
And here comes the Minimatar vs amarr culture arugement...if anyone wishes to join me my fox hole will be on a different galnet site....
Shaddam Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2015-09-30 20:18:30 UTC
The above, as noted in it's title is offered as an entry in the New Eden Capsuleer Writing Completion.
It is neither scripture nor Sacred doctrine, but is a treatise on the traditions of my order.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2015-09-30 20:22:20 UTC
Oh.......

Sorry about that, I missed that part of the title I guess. Sorry again....

Oops
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2015-09-30 21:10:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Kador Ouryon
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
By the winds what in the absolute fuckery am i reading.....


In a general sense suffering is one of the best tutors you'll ever have.

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.
Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-09-30 21:54:28 UTC

The Reclaiming is very much an internal struggle, as much as it is an external one. The flesh is a construct of sin, and the mind is wild at its core. The reminder of our Surrender to God must be steady and constant.

We never would want to put our scars on display, but every scar is a victory.

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2015-10-01 04:33:47 UTC
Foley Aberas Jones wrote:
And here comes the Minimatar vs amarr culture arugement...if anyone wishes to join me my fox hole will be on a different galnet site....


Foley, I am not going into your fox hole. Your fox hole has not been sanitised since the last time it was bombed by field artillery, which was over half a year ago!

I am digging up this hole over this hill, reinforce its walls with fernite carbide, stick a roof and a hatch on top and call it a bunker. It will have ventilation, active filtration, a working shower and toilet, plentiful canned food and a many many bottles of sanitiser. If you need your foxhole sanitised you can always cross the minefield and barbwires to borrow some.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Shaddam Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2015-10-02 00:12:10 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
What is the point of punishing things that are not responsible for their own doing and if you consider brain as "flesh" do you punish it by striking too, just like with your foot example?


I'll actually answer that... mind you this is a writing entry and not a debate, but I'll answer that.


The point, is the same as burning ones hand on a stove... the sensation of burning teaches the brain to avoid hot stoves.. it "instructs the flesh" in the same way falling while learning to walk does. It's true that the foot or eye may not have literally let you so sin, but the animal urges of the flesh are very real. Pain is how we learn the most basic skills like walking and what not to grab, in the same way correcting the flesh gives our will, our soul, a tool to master the flesh.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#13 - 2015-10-03 00:23:31 UTC
Shaddam Daphiti wrote:
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
What is the point of punishing things that are not responsible for their own doing and if you consider brain as "flesh" do you punish it by striking too, just like with your foot example?


I'll actually answer that... mind you this is a writing entry and not a debate, but I'll answer that.


The point, is the same as burning ones hand on a stove... the sensation of burning teaches the brain to avoid hot stoves.. it "instructs the flesh" in the same way falling while learning to walk does. It's true that the foot or eye may not have literally let you so sin, but the animal urges of the flesh are very real. Pain is how we learn the most basic skills like walking and what not to grab, in the same way correcting the flesh gives our will, our soul, a tool to master the flesh.

Yes, I didn't notice that it's a NEWC entry, so my apologies and thank you for your explanation. Still find it barbaric to say the least, and would argue that animal urges come not from the flesh they come from the weakness of mind and will, but as you pointed out it's not a debate.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#14 - 2015-10-03 06:45:00 UTC
Flesh is a tool and you should always do those things that make it stronger - not weaker.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2015-10-03 08:23:59 UTC
Please forgive me for saying so, but isn't this a bit akin to respondent conditioning ?
Kador Ouryon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2015-10-03 10:44:08 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Flesh is a tool and you should always do those things that make it stronger - not weaker.


It is not as though one is inflicting long lasting and debilitating physical conditions upon oneself. It is more akin to a spiritual or mental conditioning designed I suppose to achieve a mastery over the self, something I don't believe is too far outside the purview of Caldari spiritualism.

I might argue that in mastering the desires of the flesh you are in doing so making the physical self stronger having achieved a more intrinsic discipline, one that the practice is designed to develop within you.

In a sense you could suggest that this is a trial of hardship designed to strengthen oneself, after all our religious texts pose a question that we each must strive to answer for ourselves.

"Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven?"

What fills the soul? Something that guides a lost child back to it's parents arms. Or waves that dye the shores of the heart gold. A blessed breath to nurture life in a land of wheat. Or the path the Sef descend drawn in ash. In the wake of fire.
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#17 - 2015-10-03 11:07:37 UTC
I would tend to argue that achieving that state of mind without the resort to such conditioning practices is the only way to prove the true, real mastery of one's mind.

Otherwise, it might be akin to using a crutch..
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#18 - 2015-10-03 11:18:36 UTC
Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
- Missions 42:5
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#19 - 2015-10-04 02:18:57 UTC
Samira Kernher wrote:
Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
- Missions 42:5


Don't you think that one is best tested by REAL hardships though? Self-flagellation doesn't seem to have the same sort of 'desperate struggle in exceptional circumstances' edge that the scripture above seems to suggest.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2015-10-04 05:11:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Samira Kernher wrote:
Only through many hardships
Is a man stripped to his very foundations
And in such a state
Devoid of distractions
Is his soul free to soar
And in this
He is closest to God
- Missions 42:5


Don't you think that one is best tested by REAL hardships though? Self-flagellation doesn't seem to have the same sort of 'desperate struggle in exceptional circumstances' edge that the scripture above seems to suggest.


Um. Pieter? That may be the Caldari idea of what you do with hardship coming through.

I don't think she's talking about the Caldari sort so much as the Amarrian sort-- the kind you endure, and endure, until you're basically a wisp of flesh and bone with a soul sort of flapping loose in the breeze, attached in place by a pin.

Barely a person. Almost holy.

If, you know, I've got the idea right. These are the folks who do penitence pits.
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