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A Simple Question For Combat Capsuleers...

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Saede Riordan
Alexylva Paradox
#21 - 2015-10-03 04:19:41 UTC
The only thing I fight for is to ensure the continued peace and stability of my home. I blow up capsuleer ships if they might pose a threat to my people, or to ensure military dominance is maintained in the areas surrounding my home. I don't go looking for violence, its just part of a toolkit designed to protect Origin, its people, and our way of life.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#22 - 2015-10-03 04:47:32 UTC
Arkoth 24 wrote:
'Cause the sword law is the principal law of the universe.

Kill or be killed. Rule or obey. Compel or submit. That's the only choice.

The only freedom you can get will be get by force. All of that peacefull, humanistic, idealistic nonsense exist only because of force and weapons guarding it. Let the CONCORD step away - and all Cluster will turn into bloodshed and chaos. Killing each other is just in human nature.

Nanoblack lead us to spread it's will, to bring it's law, to unite all living things. And everything that resist should be destroyed.


Um.

Pilot? Are you by any chance the offspring of Sansha Kuvakei and Bloody Omir?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2015-10-03 06:15:34 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
'Cause the sword law is the principal law of the universe.

Kill or be killed. Rule or obey. Compel or submit. That's the only choice.

The only freedom you can get will be get by force. All of that peacefull, humanistic, idealistic nonsense exist only because of force and weapons guarding it. Let the CONCORD step away - and all Cluster will turn into bloodshed and chaos. Killing each other is just in human nature.

Nanoblack lead us to spread it's will, to bring it's law, to unite all living things. And everything that resist should be destroyed.


Um.

Pilot? Are you by any chance the offspring of Sansha Kuvakei and Bloody Omir?


Sounds like a hybrid of EoM and Sansha. Blood Raiders are after capsuleer blood.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#24 - 2015-10-03 14:27:50 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
'Cause the sword law is the principal law of the universe.

Kill or be killed. Rule or obey. Compel or submit. That's the only choice.

The only freedom you can get will be get by force. All of that peacefull, humanistic, idealistic nonsense exist only because of force and weapons guarding it. Let the CONCORD step away - and all Cluster will turn into bloodshed and chaos. Killing each other is just in human nature.

Nanoblack lead us to spread it's will, to bring it's law, to unite all living things. And everything that resist should be destroyed.


Um.

Pilot? Are you by any chance the offspring of Sansha Kuvakei and Bloody Omir?


Sounds like a hybrid of EoM and Sansha. Blood Raiders are after capsuleer blood.


Yeah, but the Blood Raiders are into power and conquest. Blood is just ... kind of a symbolic thing, I guess? An important symbol, though.

The EoM just wants to kill everybody.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2015-10-03 14:49:59 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
'Cause the sword law is the principal law of the universe.

Kill or be killed. Rule or obey. Compel or submit. That's the only choice.

The only freedom you can get will be get by force. All of that peacefull, humanistic, idealistic nonsense exist only because of force and weapons guarding it. Let the CONCORD step away - and all Cluster will turn into bloodshed and chaos. Killing each other is just in human nature.

Nanoblack lead us to spread it's will, to bring it's law, to unite all living things. And everything that resist should be destroyed.


Um.

Pilot? Are you by any chance the offspring of Sansha Kuvakei and Bloody Omir?


Sounds like a hybrid of EoM and Sansha. Blood Raiders are after capsuleer blood.


Yeah, but the Blood Raiders are into power and conquest. Blood is just ... kind of a symbolic thing, I guess? An important symbol, though.

The EoM just wants to kill everybody.


Which is exactly what Nanoblack is after, from the looks of it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#26 - 2015-10-03 16:08:47 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
'Cause the sword law is the principal law of the universe.

Kill or be killed. Rule or obey. Compel or submit. That's the only choice.

The only freedom you can get will be get by force. All of that peacefull, humanistic, idealistic nonsense exist only because of force and weapons guarding it. Let the CONCORD step away - and all Cluster will turn into bloodshed and chaos. Killing each other is just in human nature.

Nanoblack lead us to spread it's will, to bring it's law, to unite all living things. And everything that resist should be destroyed.


Um.

Pilot? Are you by any chance the offspring of Sansha Kuvakei and Bloody Omir?


Sounds like a hybrid of EoM and Sansha. Blood Raiders are after capsuleer blood.


Yeah, but the Blood Raiders are into power and conquest. Blood is just ... kind of a symbolic thing, I guess? An important symbol, though.

The EoM just wants to kill everybody.


Which is exactly what Nanoblack is after, from the looks of it.


Do you think so? His rhetoric here seems more "submit or die" than "submit and die."

Or maybe it's more like a sort of necrotic Sansha. "Submit, die, and be reborn in the service of the almighty Nanoblack!" ... that sort of thing.

I can't fault his passion, I guess?
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2015-10-03 17:03:22 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Do you think so? His rhetoric here seems more "submit or die" than "submit and die."

Or maybe it's more like a sort of necrotic Sansha. "Submit, die, and be reborn in the service of the almighty Nanoblack!" ... that sort of thing.

I can't fault his passion, I guess?


Though looking at the size of his corp, he is going to have a real hard time doing it.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#28 - 2015-10-03 17:20:57 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Do you think so? His rhetoric here seems more "submit or die" than "submit and die."

Or maybe it's more like a sort of necrotic Sansha. "Submit, die, and be reborn in the service of the almighty Nanoblack!" ... that sort of thing.

I can't fault his passion, I guess?


Though looking at the size of his corp, he is going to have a real hard time doing it.


Well ... he calls his philosophical/spiritual guide "Nanoblack," which, if we take it literally, suggests some kind of nanite plague. He himself doesn't look especially healthy, so ...

... maybe it's catching?

Any stations he happens to visit would probably be well advised to institute the same kind of quarantine procedures they use for possible Sansha-infected individuals, just in case.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#29 - 2015-10-03 18:49:26 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Do you think so? His rhetoric here seems more "submit or die" than "submit and die."



There is nothing wrong with a rhetoric of "Submit and Die". That is, of course, my own rhetoric as well.

I like to put it another way. Some preachers like to preach, "Turn or Burn". I just preach "Burn".
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#30 - 2015-10-03 19:04:32 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Aria Jenneth wrote:


Do you think so? His rhetoric here seems more "submit or die" than "submit and die."



There is nothing wrong with a rhetoric of "Submit and Die". That is, of course, my own rhetoric as well.

I like to put it another way. Some preachers like to preach, "Turn or Burn". I just preach "Burn".


This is going to be a weird post.

Okay, so, I'm not saying that there is anything wrong* with "submit and die," just that there's a lot of daylight between EoM practices and those of the Sani-- even yours. If I have your views right, you essentially believe that the Matari had their chance and now ought to be exterminated, but that's still a far cry from the EoM view that everybody needs to be wiped out.

By you, if I understand correctly, the option of "submit or die" was already given, and the Matari would rather die. Well, you seem to say, so be it.

Respectfully**, then, yours is just a particularly extreme interpretation of "submit or die."



* or right

** to the appropriate degree
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#31 - 2015-10-03 20:40:38 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:


This is going to be a weird post.

Okay, so, I'm not saying that there is anything wrong* with "submit and die," just that there's a lot of daylight between EoM practices and those of the Sani-- even yours. If I have your views right, you essentially believe that the Matari had their chance and now ought to be exterminated, but that's still a far cry from the EoM view that everybody needs to be wiped out.

By you, if I understand correctly, the option of "submit or die" was already given, and the Matari would rather die. Well, you seem to say, so be it.

Respectfully**, then, yours is just a particularly extreme interpretation of "submit or die."



* or right

** to the appropriate degree


The Minmatar never "had a chance". They were created to be destroyed so that God would be glorified in their destruction.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2015-10-03 20:59:00 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
The Minmatar never "had a chance". They were created to be destroyed so that God would be glorified in their destruction.


Okay.

That's still not the same as wanting to kill everyone.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#33 - 2015-10-03 21:27:41 UTC
Nauplius wrote:


The Minmatar never "had a chance". They were created to be destroyed so that God would be glorified in their destruction.


Seems pretty obvious to me that you once got rejected by a cute Matari and never quite got over it.

~ Gariushi YC110 // Midular YC115 // Yanala YC115 ~

"Orte Jaitovalte sitasuyti ne obuetsa useuut ishu. Ketsiak ishiulyn." -Yakiya Tovil-Toba-taisoka

Arnulf Ogunkoya
Clan Ogunkoya
Electus Matari
#34 - 2015-10-03 22:09:13 UTC
Neph wrote:
Nauplius wrote:


The Minmatar never "had a chance". They were created to be destroyed so that God would be glorified in their destruction.


Seems pretty obvious to me that you once got rejected by a cute Matari and never quite got over it.


I thought he looked familiar from somewhere....

Lol

On an entirely unrelated note. Why is it Naup wears Blooder colours when he has called them out for being corrupt hedonists before? Change of heart maybe? Has everyone's least favorite Sad Sani bent the knee to Bloody Omir?

As for the OP. When I fight it is as a means to an end & in support of my comrades and folk.

Regards, Arnulf Ogunkoya.

Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#35 - 2015-10-04 02:20:59 UTC
Arnulf Ogunkoya wrote:
Neph wrote:
Nauplius wrote:


The Minmatar never "had a chance". They were created to be destroyed so that God would be glorified in their destruction.


Seems pretty obvious to me that you once got rejected by a cute Matari and never quite got over it.


I thought he looked familiar from somewhere....

Lol

On an entirely unrelated note. Why is it Naup wears Blooder colours when he has called them out for being corrupt hedonists before? Change of heart maybe? Has everyone's least favorite Sad Sani bent the knee to Bloody Omir?

As for the OP. When I fight it is as a means to an end & in support of my comrades and folk.


You don't bend knee to fellow chosen. We are all equal in Red God's kingdom.
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#36 - 2015-10-06 13:27:40 UTC
I'm beginning to think that I have a predisposition to see just how far I can bury my kill board. So now I try to avoid combat and build ships instead.....

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.

Shaddam Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#37 - 2015-10-06 16:19:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaddam Daphiti
We fight because, ascended as some cultures like The Empire may be.. we are still short of God's Glory..
Violence is the only viable option in some cases and we can only be expected to respond within our capabilities.

In an ideal universe the Will of God could be done without s single laser fired... unfortunately we live in a far from ideal, fallen universe.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#38 - 2015-10-06 17:08:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Shaddam Daphiti wrote:
We fight because, ascended as some cultures like The Empire


So, relying on primitive bloodsport to determine your leader... that's 'ascended' behavior, is it? I'm sure that'll come as wonderful news to some tribe of primitives living in an as-yet-to-be-recovered jungle world somewhere...

Quote:
In an ideal universe the Will of God could be done without s single laser fired


Cuz it seems like the Will of God specifically calls for the firing of lasers. I mean, unless the Trials are all missile boats.
Sahriah BloodStone
State War Academy
Caldari State
#39 - 2015-10-06 21:10:12 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Arkoth 24 wrote:
'Cause the sword law is the principal law of the universe.

Kill or be killed. Rule or obey. Compel or submit. That's the only choice.

The only freedom you can get will be get by force. All of that peacefull, humanistic, idealistic nonsense exist only because of force and weapons guarding it. Let the CONCORD step away - and all Cluster will turn into bloodshed and chaos. Killing each other is just in human nature.

Nanoblack lead us to spread it's will, to bring it's law, to unite all living things. And everything that resist should be destroyed.


Um.

Pilot? Are you by any chance the offspring of Sansha Kuvakei and Bloody Omir?


While I can see the comparisons you are drawing, I don't think that's what he is going for.

The nature of the universe is conflict. Every creature is driven to survive, and that survival comes at the cost of somebody else's. To pursue complete and total peace is to pursue stagnation and death for our species because it is only through conflict that we are driven to advance.

The universe operates to eliminate the weak. A sperm whale devours millions of cuttlefish as it roams the ocean, it is not evil, it is feeding. Only when you apply this concept to humans does it somehow turns into a monstrous act. It may calm you to think that our species has advanced beyond that primal struggle, but it is part of nature. Hunt or be hunted, eat or be eaten. Conflict drives us to survive. To quote The Way - The universe is a test to forge the worthy.

To elaborate on this concept, we Capsuleers need not worry about food, warmth or the troubles of the petty man, but we have entered a new and infinity more complex struggle that challenges our perceptions of morality. We must decide now, which is more important - the continued survival and growth of the species, or the perceived integrity of our humanity.

Many cultures and religions touch on the advancement of our species in varied ways. The Achur and Ida seek inner peace and balance as a means of enlightenment. The Caldari and Amarr seek societal growth through unity. The Federation hopes for this through the expression of free will and challenging of ideals. Even Kuvakei and the Sani Sabik seek similar goals, their approaches are just outliers in the grand scheme of things. What most of these lack however is a more long-term vision and the fundamental acceptance that conflict is necessary.

Deep down, most people convince themselves that we are greater than that. That if we eliminate the need for conflict, life will just continue on perfectly forever. They need to feel that, because understanding that in the end, for all our technology and intelligence, we still need to resort to the primal instinct to survive, is terrifying.

The universe does not care if you think you are good or not, all it sees is those that survive, and those who do not.

I could go on, but I am unsure if this would be a worthwhile forum to discuss such controversial topics properly. Sufficive to say, that I fight for both personal advancement and the continued progression of our species

Sahriah Bloodstone

No.Mercy // Triumvirate

"Never underestimate your enemy or disrespect its abilities. If you do, you shall become the hunted "

Roland Cassidy
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#40 - 2015-10-12 13:51:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Roland Cassidy
There is no moral recourse to justify the dependency of a capsuleer upon violence. Unfortunate and bleak though this truth seems, it is a truth nonetheless. Many capsuleers seek peace through creation and industry or weather their own violence in the world of transactions and corporate stewardship; but what does the industrialist and and engineer build more often than not? Weapons and ships of war, ammunition and fuel to feed those guns and star drives. Weapons sold by those traders and monopolized and leveraged into stronger positions by the canny CEO.

We are creations of violent intent, unable to escape from a cycle of violent ends. This is the truth of a capsuleer's natural state.

That said, there is good for a man and woman to do while walking such a harrowing path. There is loyalty and camraderie, love and passion, service and honor. Allof this and more enough to cling to in hope that a brighter future lay ahead.

Perhaps this is truly why I fight... not for a sainted cause or monetary riches, not for fame and power; no, these are the symptoms of a true reason. I fight because my way leads me in the violence through dark times to the hope that one day I simply will not have to. One day, I shall lay down my sword and close my eyes and find the elusive peace that has evaded my life.

But that day is not today.

"Watashi no Tao wa magarikunetta michidesu. Watashi wa toraedokoro no nai, heiwa o motome, samayoimasu."

(Trans) "My Tao is a winding path. I wander, seeking an elusive peace. "

浪人