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Isk just ain't what it used to be
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Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2012-01-04 19:19:48 UTC
I agree with OP as well. Seems as if everyone are billionaires. But at the same time, I don't want to be the only one not a billionaire
rodyas
Tie Fighters Inc
#22 - 2012-01-04 19:37:16 UTC
Suppose EVE isnt real anymore. In real life only the rich are suppose to get richer. Only sad isk thing I see is faction BS cost more then carriers otherwise its alright I suppose.

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Treks Shadow
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-01-04 20:17:36 UTC
It seems to me reading all the posts from people in here that you all mostly seem mad because.
1 Your not a billionare
2 Your alliance wont allow you to learn how to become one
3 You just like to complain about others enjoying the game.
The sad part here is you all really feel justified by crying in the forums. Enough is enough stop all the cry baby posts,threads, etc. If you want something in this game go out and get it. If you dont know how join a corp or alliance that will teach you how.
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#24 - 2012-01-04 20:27:11 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
When I last played the game some 3 years ago, isk didn't flood out of wormholes, jump into highsec to be fleet ganked or spawn day and night on planets.


Neither Wormholes nor PI create the inflation you're talking about, as no part of either adds isk in to the economy. In fact, they're both isk sinks, in that they have taxes associated with production and selling of the products they generate.

There are isk faucets causing an inflation in average wallet size, but you're looking in the wrong spots...
Aineko Macx
#25 - 2012-01-04 20:47:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Aineko Macx
Professor Alphane wrote:
But essentially thats part of the problem, prices DONT really rise as they are defined by the cost of the minerals to make said product which hasn't seemed to change much.

Yes, as prices haven't kept up* with the increase of player wealth/ease of making isk, the amount of effort to acquire a certain item has gone down. This essentially reduces the subjective value of things and trivializes the meaning of loss, i.e. the risk that makes eve so special.
Therefor, balancing the isk faucets / sinks is one of the most important things CCP needs to do to avoid the actions of players losing meaning and thus the game becoming boring.

*: Except PLEX, which is subject to special circumstances.

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Ai Shun
#26 - 2012-01-04 21:18:30 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
Upon return I do a little research, set up a little high sec PI, don't even need to log in but once a day and Bam 7 days later pretty much enough for a BS hull. Sitting on my booty, 0 Risk, free BS What?, And high sec PI earnings are terribad they tell me What?


Now, assuming you are a sensibly employed professional with disposable income that enjoys his hobby. You could pick up a PLEX for peanuts, sell it in JITA and circumvent all those mechanisms. You could do that once a week and not even feel a dent. Although I use it, it is one aspect of the game that always feels a bit off to me. The whole mechanism of working your ass off to earn ISK and setting those micro goals over time can be circumvented by hauling out your credit card.

And people moan about the NEX store Lol
Cass Lie
State War Academy
Caldari State
#27 - 2012-01-04 21:58:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Cass Lie
So much misinformation in this thread, it hurts. Inflation is certainly not the word you are looking for. If anything, the prices are deflating at large. Which was kinda the OP's point I guess. The "problem", if that is actually a problem, is there are too many minerals being pumped into the market, which is driving the hull prices down and in a way (but this is relative) trivializing the effort required to acquire those.

The amount of income you get from PI or LP grind doesn't directly affect the isk/mineral exchange rate (I am neglecting the associated isk sinks here for the sake of simplicity) and is therefore irrelevant to the discussion.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#28 - 2012-01-05 03:18:57 UTC
Forum ate my post Evil

so briefly

Thanks all, still can't get my head round the economic concepts but cheers for trying to educate me. Cool

Lolz at guy who thinks I'm jealous of Billionares, way to totally misunderstand a thread dude Roll

It's a shame something I found so fun about EVE no longer seems to excist, but I'm sure I'll find my fun somewhere despite that. Big smile

Fly safe all

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Eternus8lux8lucis
Guardians of the Gate
RAZOR Alliance
#29 - 2012-01-05 04:10:29 UTC
In 3 years you also will learn a lot about the game and how to make isk a lot quicker. An adult can make more than a teenager who can make more than a child. The ability to earn more and quicker rises exponentially with age, knowledge and more money. But I do think the grow curve for new players is getting a lot shorter and they are getting richer quicker than it used to be. And though this would cater to the get rich quick and "I want it now!" crowd I wonder what it would do for long term retention of players as the faster you can get the top end "end game" or "Level 60", to use another MMO phrase, the faster theyll burn out and get disenchanted or bored silly. Its quite the juggle between the two imo. On the one side you need to make it fast enough that people will continue to play because they are seeing gains and the other that if leveling too fast then theyll just blitz the game and move on.

Have you heard anything I've said?

You said it's all circling the drain, the whole universe. Right?

That's right.

Had to end sometime.
Professor Alphane
Les Corsaires Diable
#30 - 2012-01-05 04:43:00 UTC
Just to clarify my charecter is only about 4 months old, 2 months played 3 years ago, 2 months recently, not 3 years old.

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Intar Medris
KarmaFleet University
#31 - 2012-01-05 05:56:33 UTC
It seems to me everyone in this game hate, and I mean hate Miners. Once a Fine and Proud profession in EVE we are now mocked at every turn. Yet every red ISK cent we make, except for a very minimal amount of bounties from rats, we earn through long hours of sitting in a belt. As new player in this game ISK can be very hard to come by. 30 days of skills later though, and you are making 90 mil an hour grinding Incursions...... In high sec. CCP does need to tone down the faucets or increase the ISK sinks or soon we all will be doomed to to horrid amounts of inflation.

I try to be nice and mind my business just shooting lasers at rocks. There is just way too many asshats in New Eden for that to happen.
Ai Shun
#32 - 2012-01-05 06:49:54 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:
It's a shame something I found so fun about EVE no longer seems to excist, but I'm sure I'll find my fun somewhere despite that.


Small goals helps. I'm currently trying to figure out how to find an available research slot in High/Low Caldari space. Maybe PoS but that seems to need a lot of upkeep and I'm in-game too irregularly for that.
Luh Windan
green fish hat bang bang
#33 - 2012-01-05 06:58:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Luh Windan
Intar Medris wrote:
It seems to me everyone in this game hate, and I mean hate Miners. Once a Fine and Proud profession in EVE we are now mocked at every turn. Yet every red ISK cent we make, except for a very minimal amount of bounties from rats, we earn through long hours of sitting in a belt. As new player in this game ISK can be very hard to come by. 30 days of skills later though, and you are making 90 mil an hour grinding Incursions...... In high sec. CCP does need to tone down the faucets or increase the ISK sinks or soon we all will be doomed to to horrid amounts of inflation.


It's hard to have any respect for a group of people unable to act in their own interests.

You work to maximise production, compete with each other on price, do nothing to reduce supply from your competitors (in fact many of you see each other as comrades instead of the reason you don't make enough isk) or price fix and you only have yourselves to blame for being involved in a race to the bottom.

Instead you just cry on the forums about how everyone hates you and the sky is falling. Yes that sure will fix your problems!
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#34 - 2012-01-05 07:34:34 UTC
Skydell wrote:
On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies.

Like... You?

I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim.

So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders.

Nyan
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#35 - 2012-01-05 07:44:48 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Skydell wrote:
On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies.

Like... You?

I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim.

So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders.


I like to leave people opportunites to nit pick. It allows them an easy out and exposes thier true nature.
Rakshasa Taisab
Sane Industries Inc.
#36 - 2012-01-05 07:47:15 UTC
Skydell wrote:
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Skydell wrote:
On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies.

Like... You?

I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim.

So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders.


I like to leave people opportunites to nit pick. It allows them an easy out and exposes thier true nature.

Are these giant alien nits you put out for people to pick?

Nyan
Skydell
Bad Girl Posse
#37 - 2012-01-05 07:51:21 UTC
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Skydell wrote:
Rakshasa Taisab wrote:
Skydell wrote:
On the one hand we are all rolling in ISK, paying with Plex, on the other the only thing in the game that can impact CCPs bottom line hasn't moved more than 20% in 5 years. Someone lies.

Like... You?

I remember the PLEX being down to 260 so a couple years ago, and I remember them being around 500 not a month ago. This gives us a 100% increase in far shorter timeperiod than you claim.

So you are not just wrong, but also suffering from serious memory deficiency disorders.


I like to leave people opportunites to nit pick. It allows them an easy out and exposes thier true nature.

Are these giant alien nits you put out for people to pick?


Gratz, derailed.

Go away now.
Keltaris Cesaille
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-01-05 10:09:45 UTC
I am the 99%
Telvani
SWARTA
#39 - 2012-01-05 10:27:52 UTC
Nerf incursion (boost the LP, remove the ISK)

Nerf Bounties (boost the sec increase / loot)

Mission payouts are fine

Insurance is probably fine to be honest, its actually a very small ISK sink compared to the above.

There are people in eve who get their kicks from killing you

They are, statistically much better at killing you than you are at not being killed
flakeys
Doomheim
#40 - 2012-01-05 11:22:17 UTC
Professor Alphane wrote:

Take my position for example. When I left the account I'd just got into cruisers, I had a little stashed to buy a BC because an old guildy was good enough to give me a hand up. The idea of being able to afford and rig a battleship was maybe a month of grind away, not that I minded it gave me a goal and a sense of achievment when I completed the steps along my career path.




When i started the game you had to mine or mission for months - no lvl4 missions then eh - to be able to buy a bs and usually the choice was apoc because that was THE mining ship out there.


In short times change , why should it matter?If it didn't matter to me that people 3 years ago could get a bs with only half the time invested from when i started then why should it bother you now?

We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid.
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