Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Why are you still relying upon a vid from pre-module days?

Both that and the cargo dropped in that vid, doesn't help your argument in the slightest. Not to mention the last ship, which quite frankly makes it all laughable.

Again reducing your cargo value, if that's what you mean, makes no difference to whether you get ganked or not if the gankers are having a slow day, as has already been proved by someone else in this thread.

You mean that last freighter that took a full 20 seconds to kill. And the main problem with logis and freighters, freighters have very little shield and armour which is what logis rep. So you're going to need minimum 15 logis to keep a freighter alive against 40 catalysts.

Take another route.

Haul less valuable cargo.

Use a DST instead of a freighter and make multiple trips.

Pay someone to haul it for you.

Use an iota of creativity beyond "I want to semi-autopilot a freighter solo through HS"

I have used these techniques. I used a JF to actually make the trip shorter and bypassed ganking spots entirely. I have also used a transport ship to move small volume high value cargo, the cloak and align speed mean I fly right by gank squads and they can do nothing about it. And at my laziest I've used Red Frog.

A gank fleet targeting freighters requires 20+ characters. Why should you be able to defend against it with less? Scout effectively, set up watchlists, and avoid systems with active gankers or bumpers. If you want to go through a system with active gankers, have counter bumpers, ecm (both targeted and suicide burst), and logistics. If you expect to be able to waltz through a system with 5-10 people and actually be effective against an organized 20-30 man fleet, think again.


Right before and after downtime is often when the best kills come in.

EVE Online was never more popular nor more prosperous than when the game was much, much less safe than it is now.

Furthermore, CCP's very own data proves that PvP in highsec is a strong driver of positive player retention. You know, as opposed to boring them to death with the worst PvE "content" in the genre.

"adapt" will not look at all like what you hope. In fact, I rather suspect it will look like an abattoir of everything you hold dear.

If it's worth ganking, it's worth defending.

There is a very simple way of dealing with Gankers.

First Ignore all the propaganda about how to avoid Ganking from Gankers.

Decide for yourself what lowers your risk, logically, rather than Jumping through hoops.
People find great amusement in watching someone trying to desperately avoid the inevitable, before they blow them up, and then they find some absurd reason as to why it is the victims fault to make them even more frustrated.

The reality is you are a tasty fluffy fat dinner. (Possibly with extra tears if that is their thing)
Making yourself extra tasty, by carrying a value that makes killing you a no brainer will not help though. So they are right on that.

Hell, Even a missioning Nightmare will kill you if you are carrying 20 bil, and he has an industrial alt nearby, and he gets a tip off.
Gankers are just more organised.

If the ganker is Hungry he will kill you, also if he is bored, not bored, interested in your exotic fit, curious about your double wrap. It is Tuesday, or just because.

Some helpful tips. They may or may not help, sometimes nothing does.

Fly defensively
Use an appropriate ship.
Know that .5 pipes are where you need to be very alert.
And the autopilot is a tool to deliver you into a meat grinder, sometimes, depends if you feel lucky.
If you just bought some nice purple goodies from Jita, do not be surprised if the seller is waiting for you on the undock.
For some ships,(looking at you DST) Max out your tanking skills, It will make no difference as to whether you get ganked or not, but if they miscalculate, sometimes you might the only one left alive after concord has swept through, or not, but it can't hurt, and that one time will make your day.

And most importantly, most of the time, gankers are not bothered to kill every ship, unless they are that day.

Fly safe.

And a Ganker has just as much right to shoot you as you have not to be shot.
No matter how much you hate that, deal with the reality as it is presented to you.
You WILL lose some ships, try to make it less painful when you do.
If you are going to lose ships, make it expensive for them, and limit their profitability. Get at least a little satisfaction from that and move on.

One day, CCP may rebalance ganking risk, or they may not, who knows, but today is today, deal with it as it stands and reduce your risk where you can.

If you choose to rage in local after you die, It will not make you feel better, but It does guarantee, you will get special attention next time you come through niarja. Best keep it cool.

Good grief, that's got to be one of the most idiotic things I've read in this thread. I'm impressed!

Obviously a permit doesn't save you if you flagrantly violate the Code like that, duh.

But if you actually abide by it in good faith, it's the best tank isk can buy.