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Wardec limitation

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#61 - 2015-10-02 20:24:27 UTC
David Asanari wrote:

I'm playing the game I choose to play and it's not your business how I choose to play it.


Please, justify more.

Right now, you aren't playing the game. You're trying to change the rules to favor yourself.


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I never asked for your advice.


Nor did I give any. If I were, it would be to uninstall EVE Online, and go play something more suited to your temperament, like Farmville, NeoPets, Hello Kitty Online, or something else where no one is ever allowed to lose so they don't feel bad.

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This is a public place for discussing suggestions. You are not suggesting anything besides "let's leave as it is".


No, I'm here discussing your terrible, self serving, awful suggestion.


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Deal with it or choose a different game to play.


This won't change. As you put it, deal with it, or choose a different game to play. You don't belong here anyway, you've made that pretty clear by now.

Also, I find it pretty damning of carebears in general that you people can't even wait a year after the deletion of awoxing to start clamoring for wars and ganking to go away too. You're so transparent in your disgusting goals that it's almost embarrassing.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

David Asanari
AmPro
#62 - 2015-10-02 20:28:14 UTC
Black Pedro wrote:
David Asanari wrote:

I'm playing the game I choose to play and it's not your business how I choose to play it. I never asked for your advice.
This is a public place for discussing suggestions. You are not suggesting anything besides "let's leave as it is". Your are used to the comforts of the current mechanic and that's your problem. The game evolves by changing. Changes can be new content/behavior or a change/removal of existing ones..
You are not suggesting anything but "remove the mercenary playstyle because I don't like it".

Again, how would this make this make the game better? What problem are you trying to solve?


I'm in a small hi-sec corp with an average online of 4-5 people. We make most ISK from hi-sec PVE and occasional WH runs. Being wardecced for 3 weeks in a row by 3 different alliances makes it impossible to play. Losing a ship higher than a cruiser means losing half the assets for some of us. And no we cannot stand up and fight against T3+command ship+inty gangs simply because we don't have the ships and large enough fleet to do it.
Christopher Multsanti
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2015-10-02 20:28:45 UTC
David Asanari wrote:
Hi

War declaration is a mechanism allowing for PvP interaction in empire space without facing CONCORD punishment or security status penalties. It allows you to hassle or get even with someone. You can even hire mercenaries to do the dirty job for you and they can use the wardec mechanism. And that's fine, it's part of the game, part of what makes it fun.

War declaration mechanism is abused. For some corps/alliance is it simply a way to circumvent the hi-sec security mechanisms, basically turning it into a big, highly populated null-sec zone.

Here are some real-time examples:

PIRAT alliance - 162 active wars and 53 pending wars
Guardians of the Galaxy - 110 active wars
Public Enemy - 12 active and 31 pending wars

There are others like Bad Neighbours, Forsaken Asylum, Marmite Collective and such. I'm positive there are more examples of this behavior.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the original idea behind this feature.
I think it's wrong and needs to be dealt with.

My suggestion is to limit the allowed number of CONCURRENT war declarations or active wars for a corp/alliance to a single digit number, like 3 or 5.

Thank you


Wow just no, if they wan't to pay for wars then let them. More targets the better.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#64 - 2015-10-02 20:30:14 UTC
David Asanari wrote:
Being wardecced for 3 weeks in a row by 3 different alliances makes it impossible to play.


And of course, we come to the genesis of his self serving nerfs thinly hidden as a "suggestion".

3 weeks, and his little carebear corp hasn't figured out how to watch local yet.


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Losing a ship higher than a cruiser means losing half the assets for some of us. And no we cannot stand up and fight against T3+command ship+inty gangs simply because we don't have the ships and large enough fleet to do it.


I wonder if he's going to figure out that he doesn't belong in a player corp?

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

David Asanari
AmPro
#65 - 2015-10-02 20:37:14 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Please, justify more.

Right now, you aren't playing the game. You're trying to change the rules to favor yourself.


And you don't want them changed because they favor you.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Nor did I give any. If I were, it would be to uninstall EVE Online, and go play something more suited to your temperament, like Farmville, NeoPets, Hello Kitty Online, or something else where no one is ever allowed to lose so they don't feel bad.

I don't know any of these games. You are the expert on them, as I see.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


No, I'm here discussing your terrible, self serving, awful suggestion.

You're not discussing. You are making assumptions and abusing someone suggesting a change you don't agree with.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


This won't change. As you put it, deal with it, or choose a different game to play. You don't belong here anyway, you've made that pretty clear by now.


Stop telling me what to do and I won't tell you where to go.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#66 - 2015-10-02 20:45:06 UTC
David Asanari wrote:

And you don't want them changed because they favor you.


They don't favor me at all. Wars grant a huge mechanical advantage to the defender, nevermind being basically voluntary.


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I don't know any of these games.


You should get more familiar with Farmville. It's what you carebears want out of EVE, anyway. Push a few button sequences and get virtual carrot, repeat until die of boredom.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#67 - 2015-10-02 20:46:57 UTC
Oh, and I love the part where you claimed that disagreeing with you is "abusing" you. First of all, if you are so emotionally fragile as to actually believe that, then my advice is to quit this game and never look back.

Secondly, if you are so intellectually dishonest as to try and make the claim that disagreement equates to abuse, then you're not only a fool but also a hypocrite, since you're the one disagreeing with how the game is supposed to be played in the first place.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#68 - 2015-10-02 20:54:35 UTC
it was better when the limitation was 3 decs, now any new corp just gets insta decced by the main culprits and that new corp ends up being disbanded before it ever got going which in the long term just reduces potential targets that could have fought back and gave you a decent fight.

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using

Black Pedro
Mine.
#69 - 2015-10-02 21:01:00 UTC
David Asanari wrote:
Black Pedro wrote:
David Asanari wrote:

I'm playing the game I choose to play and it's not your business how I choose to play it. I never asked for your advice.
This is a public place for discussing suggestions. You are not suggesting anything besides "let's leave as it is". Your are used to the comforts of the current mechanic and that's your problem. The game evolves by changing. Changes can be new content/behavior or a change/removal of existing ones..
You are not suggesting anything but "remove the mercenary playstyle because I don't like it".

Again, how would this make this make the game better? What problem are you trying to solve?


I'm in a small hi-sec corp with an average online of 4-5 people. We make most ISK from hi-sec PVE and occasional WH runs. Being wardecced for 3 weeks in a row by 3 different alliances makes it impossible to play. Losing a ship higher than a cruiser means losing half the assets for some of us. And no we cannot stand up and fight against T3+command ship+inty gangs simply because we don't have the ships and large enough fleet to do it.

See, the thing is you are not entitled to make ISK without risk in this game. You are asking for your corp to be made invulnerable to other corps so you can grind resources and affect the shared economy without opposition. The same economy that provides you with ISK for the goods you grind from highsec PvE. That cannot happen. That is just how the game has been designed right down to the core.

If you cannot fight, then you have options. You can join with others, move out of highsec, or join the NPC corporation and organize with your friends in a shared chat channel. Perhaps there should be more social tools for those not wishing to compete, but fundamentally the economy that gives your activities meaning is only possible by the continual conflict in New Eden. No one would want your goods if nothing was ever lost so risk of attack is something you are always going to have to deal with.

CCP is never going to limit wars or make your corp invulnerable to them although for sure wars could be tweaked to be improved. Hopefully they will add a social corporation or something similar to the game for small groups like yours, but wars will always be necessary to remove structures in highsec, and mercenaries are an intended profession in this game. Until then, the best is just to drop to the NPC Corp and use a chat channel to coordinate your activities until if and when you are ready and able to defend your corporation from those of us who are actually competing for dominance in this PvP game.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#70 - 2015-10-02 21:01:13 UTC
Harvey James wrote:
it was better when the limitation was 3 decs, now any new corp just gets insta decced by the main culprits and that new corp ends up being disbanded before it ever got going which in the long term just reduces potential targets that could have fought back and gave you a decent fight.


If that's true, then why do I see all these corps running around highsec with basically no war histories? Hell, I've been sitting in Amarr for hours, scanning people for fun, and so very few deaths.

Sounds like you're just bullshitting to me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

David Asanari
AmPro
#71 - 2015-10-02 21:02:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Oh, and I love the part where you claimed that disagreeing with you is "abusing" you. First of all, if you are so emotionally fragile as to actually believe that, then my advice is to quit this game and never look back.

Secondly, if you are so intellectually dishonest as to try and make the claim that disagreement equates to abuse, then you're not only a fool but also a hypocrite, since you're the one disagreeing with how the game is supposed to be played in the first place.


You called me names multiple times in this thread and also said things like "You have no right to do anything" and you constantly insist on telling me to leave the game.

If this is your way of having a discussion or disagreeing with someone then you are the one that doesn't belong here on the forums.

I'm not fragile, but that doesn't mean that you're not being abusive. There is a good chance you acted this way against people who were fragile perhaps and that this is your "style" of discussion. I also highly doubt you behave the same IRL hence the need for the online aggression.
Serendipity Lost
Repo Industries
#72 - 2015-10-02 21:05:42 UTC
David Asanari wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Oh, and I love the part where you claimed that disagreeing with you is "abusing" you. First of all, if you are so emotionally fragile as to actually believe that, then my advice is to quit this game and never look back.

Secondly, if you are so intellectually dishonest as to try and make the claim that disagreement equates to abuse, then you're not only a fool but also a hypocrite, since you're the one disagreeing with how the game is supposed to be played in the first place.


You called me names multiple times in this thread and also said things like "You have no right to do anything" and you constantly insist on telling me to leave the game.

If this is your way of having a discussion or disagreeing with someone then you are the one that doesn't belong here on the forums.

I'm not fragile, but that doesn't mean that you're not being abusive. There is a good chance you acted this way against people who were fragile perhaps and that this is your "style" of discussion. I also highly doubt you behave the same IRL hence the need for the online aggression.



You're a ninny. I mean that in the sincerest possible way.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#73 - 2015-10-02 21:07:20 UTC
David Asanari wrote:

You called me names


And you claimed that hundreds of players are abusing game mechanics, something that is factually not happening.

You're sitting here calling people from a dozen or more alliances names, and you get mad when I call you carebear slime? You can dish it out, but you can't take it?

Cry more.

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I'm not fragile


Forgive me if I don't believe you. Especially not since you made this tear filled thread after you got decced for three measly weeks. Some of us have lived under a dec for six months or more, and ran missions the whole time.


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I also highly doubt you behave the same IRL hence the need for the online aggression.


Funny part about that overused trope? It's not really true at all. It's mostly just people like you posturing, trying to make a callout against people whom you have no clue about.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#74 - 2015-10-02 21:16:09 UTC
I can confirm that karrous is as obnoxious on comms as his posting would imply.

In a charming sort of way.

I have also been told I am in fact considerably drunker on comms than I my posting would imply.

In a hilariously incompetent sort of way.

Also +1 for the use of "ninny" , I haven't heard that said in a long time...spat tea on myself giggling at it.
David Asanari
AmPro
#75 - 2015-10-02 21:17:50 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:


And you claimed that hundreds of players are abusing game mechanics, something that is factually not happening.


I am and that's true. You are one of them, hence your tirade in this thread.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Forgive me if I don't believe you. Especially not since you made this tear filled thread after you got decced for three measly weeks. Some of us have lived under a dec for six months or more, and ran missions the whole time.

Of course you did... Did you get a medal for that too? What a load of bollocks.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

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I also highly doubt you behave the same IRL hence the need for the online aggression.


Funny part about that overused trope? It's not really true at all. It's mostly just people like you posturing, trying to make a callout against people whom you have no clue about.

Funny part is you making assumptions about me during the entire thread and lose it the second I say that calling CODE ganking a "PvP activity" is like calling masturbation an "intercourse" or similar.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#76 - 2015-10-02 21:18:37 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
I can confirm that karrous is as obnoxious on comms as his posting would imply.

In a charming sort of way.

I have also been told I am in fact considerably drunker on comms than I my posting would imply.

In a hilariously incompetent sort of way.

Also +1 for the use of "ninny" , I haven't heard that said in a long time...spat tea on myself giggling at it.


I am indeed the life of the party. And you type considerably well for someone whose BAH hasn't been below 0.1 in a couple of months, not that I'm one to judge lately. :P

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Thron Legacy
White Zulu
Scorpion Federation
#77 - 2015-10-02 21:35:46 UTC
what if we tell him that eve is a sandbox MMO ??
Mag's
Azn Empire
#78 - 2015-10-02 22:08:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
David Asanari wrote:
I don't need to be objective.
You do when asking for changes to game mechanics, that have balance requirements. If you don't, you will inevitably end up with an ill informed idea, that has no merit. Rather like this.

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ISD Buldath
#79 - 2015-10-03 00:41:55 UTC
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Amarr Empire
#80 - 2015-10-03 02:07:36 UTC
>PIRAT alliance - 162 active wars and 53 pending wars
> Guardians of the Galaxy - 110 active wars

Now if each of those wardeced corps contributed just one or two PVPers to a fleet, wouldn't that be a fine thing?

BTW, repeatedly calling legal use of a mechanic abuse does not make it so. Dealing with wardecs is meant to be part of highsec life. Best figure out how to do that.

Marech.