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[December] Discovering a New Expedition Frigate

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Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2015-10-02 18:46:11 UTC
The Prospect with the Covert Ops Cloaking Device makes a great hotdrop vehicle, as well as a way to ninja booster gas in Nullsec.

Having the Discovery not able to use a covert cloak, but have better tank and ability to store more ore makes it a more focused, dedicated ore/ice mining ship.

A unique feature for the Discovery over the Prospect would be to have an auto-compression ore/ice bay, to reduce the size of the collected ore. Ice is so bulky that getting 15 blocks and having to go back to drop off means you're going to spend a lot of time just warping back to your home system or wormhole gate to gate. Adding this would mean much less trips back, but you are still exposed since you can't warp while cloaked.
PhilKenSebben
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2015-10-02 18:46:42 UTC
Querns wrote:
The two utility highs on the Discovery are very interesting.


more like one, no reason to not fit a cloak to this ever with that kind of role bonus
Amarisen Gream
The.Kin.of.Jupiter
#23 - 2015-10-02 18:54:47 UTC
Me personally I like this... It really helps the Frigate sized hulls.

And in which - they fill a role.

But, i'm still waiting for my BS sized Mining ship, and this sort of helps lead to that point (just make sure the base price is about 750 million to one billion ISK)

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Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#24 - 2015-10-02 18:56:37 UTC
Hellooooooo Shattered Ice Fields! I look forward to losing these in Thera!

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Harkin Issier
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2015-10-02 19:09:16 UTC
FT Diomedes wrote:
Selto Black wrote:
I like this, however, it does put a bit of a skill wall up for younger players who wish to gather resources under hostile conditions.


No, it does not. They can still attempt the same thing in cheap ships.



To which cheap ships are you referring? The Venture can't fit these new modules. Barges can't fit through frigate-sized WHs. On release, there will be exactly two hulls which can utilize the new ice harvesting modules, both of which are T2.
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-10-02 19:16:43 UTC
I agree- I don't see why the Venture shouldn't be able to fit these small ice harvesting lasers. It doesn't have any bonuses to ice harvesting, and only a 5000m3 cargobay, so it will be extremely inefficient compared to the Prospect/Discovery, but for a very new player at least it would let them participate during group ice mining operations without requiring a Mining Barge. The main thing here is to make sure they are not excluded from participating because of their low SP.
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#27 - 2015-10-02 19:27:39 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:

P.S Keep an eye out for an announcement later today from CCP Seagull who will be going over some upcoming features, as well as more announcements in the weeks leading up to EVE Vegas.



When you say "later today" and its already well past working hours in Iceland...

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Strata Maslav
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2015-10-02 19:29:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Strata Maslav
Ransu Asanari wrote:
I agree- I don't see why the Venture shouldn't be able to fit these small ice harvesting lasers. It doesn't have any bonuses to ice harvesting, and only a 5000m3 cargobay, so it will be extremely inefficient compared to the Prospect/Discovery, but for a very new player at least it would let them participate during group ice mining operations without requiring a Mining Barge. The main thing here is to make sure they are not excluded from participating because of their low SP.


I agree, even though from my perspective barges have a low SP ceiling there doesn't seem to be enough justification to stop the venture from using the new Ice mining lasers.

We should stay clear of artificially limited modules, otherwise we will miss out on players finding interesting interactions.
Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2015-10-02 19:31:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Ransu Asanari
The main thing here is to make sure they are not excluded from participating because of their low SP.

For example if the corp decides to take a wormhole chain through the frigate only wormholes to get to a mining source, the SP needed to fly an Expedition Frigate to come along is fairly high. The new player couldn't even haul back ore in a Miasmos, since it can't fit through those holes.

CCP Terminus said - it's only 8 days into a Mining Barge, but that doesn't help in this scenario. I don't see the harm in allowing ice mining with a cheap frigate like the Venture, as long as the bonus is VERY weak.
Schelyra Elyte
ELYTE INC
#30 - 2015-10-02 19:31:50 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
the actual question is: what color is it?

Laetitia Nzero wrote:
What colour will it be?

lol, art has the final say but I'm hoping for something icy


How about an ice cream truck? with sounds?
Jessica Keyes
Phoenix Rising Fleet
Digital Vendetta
#31 - 2015-10-02 19:32:08 UTC
I may be dumb but 50% reduction to ice duration role bonus, 5% per level in ice duration for mining frigate and 5% reduction in ice duration for expedition frigate...
So if expedition frigate is level 5 then
50% + 5%(5) + 5%(5) = 100% reduction to ice harvest duration.
Im sure there is stacking of some sort?
Querns
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#32 - 2015-10-02 19:34:45 UTC
Jessica Keyes wrote:
I may be dumb but 50% reduction to ice duration role bonus, 5% per level in ice duration for mining frigate and 5% reduction in ice duration for expedition frigate...
So if expedition frigate is level 5 then
50% + 5%(5) + 5%(5) = 100% reduction to ice harvest duration.
Im sure there is stacking of some sort?


Reductions to ice mining speed stack multiplicatively, not additively.

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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2015-10-02 19:35:06 UTC
What colours will it have?!

I demand to know the colours!

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Bob Shaftoes
TURN LEFT
#34 - 2015-10-02 19:36:49 UTC
Any particular reason why this and the prospect dont get tech II resists? :p
Jessica Keyes
Phoenix Rising Fleet
Digital Vendetta
#35 - 2015-10-02 19:39:36 UTC
Querns wrote:
Jessica Keyes wrote:
I may be dumb but 50% reduction to ice duration role bonus, 5% per level in ice duration for mining frigate and 5% reduction in ice duration for expedition frigate...
So if expedition frigate is level 5 then
50% + 5%(5) + 5%(5) = 100% reduction to ice harvest duration.
Im sure there is stacking of some sort?


Reductions to ice mining speed stack multiplicatively, not additively.



Ahh thanks
Kibitt Kallinikov
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#36 - 2015-10-02 19:40:23 UTC
CCP Terminus wrote:
So without further ado, here are the stats:

Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 50 / 40 / 20
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 60 / 10 / 25 / 35


Interesting resist profile you have there. Did you swap Therm and Exp on accident?

Also, t2 ORE resists when? (said the PvP pilot)
Ix Method
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-10-02 19:52:38 UTC
Querns wrote:
The two utility highs on the Discovery are very interesting.

+1, it's something the Prospect could use too too tbh.

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Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#38 - 2015-10-02 19:55:25 UTC
so is there any difference between covert cloaks and when a normal cloaking device is put on this ship?

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Winter Archipelago
Autumn Industrial Enterprises
#39 - 2015-10-02 19:55:58 UTC
Schelyra Elyte wrote:
CCP Terminus wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
the actual question is: what color is it?

Laetitia Nzero wrote:
What colour will it be?

lol, art has the final say but I'm hoping for something icy


How about an ice cream truck? with sounds?

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#40 - 2015-10-02 19:57:36 UTC
Quick question.

Will the frigate ice lasers be able to be instantly de-activated without any cooldown on their use?

Specifically, will this frigate be able to drop it's lasers and instantly activate a cov ops cloak?

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