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BFE
Shadow Flight
#1 - 2015-10-02 12:25:50 UTC  |  Edited by: BFE
So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your consciousness transverses through the exit back to your home station. Why then couldn't items being stored in a citadel that is destroyed do the same?

I suggest CCP consider one of the two following solutions.

A) A Citadel should be able to deploy cloning facilities (just like a Rorqual should be able to too) so that if you are podded in a wormhole, you can set that as your home station. If Citadels deployed within W-space cannot send items back to HS when it's destroyed, how can it send a complex consciousness of a podded pilot through? It SHOULDN'T! There should be a cloning station in the Citadel.

-or-

B) At least allow Citadels in WH's the same privileges to send items to a safe station like the Citadels in known space can do, like ti currently does with PODs.

Edit: Obviously, your pod cannot transverse the wormhole, it was destroyed. I meant to say consciousness. OP was fixed.
Bloemkoolsaus
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2015-10-02 12:33:08 UTC
BFE wrote:
So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station.


Not quite. You get killed and your consciousness gets sent to a new clone waiting for you in some station.
Your actual pod/body/corpse stay right there were you died.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Capsule_and_the_Clone
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-10-02 12:33:14 UTC
BFE wrote:
So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station.


No it doesn't. When you are podded your conciseness is activated in a new clone.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
BFE
Shadow Flight
#4 - 2015-10-02 12:44:53 UTC  |  Edited by: BFE
Rek Seven wrote:
BFE wrote:
So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station.


No it doesn't. When you are podded your conciseness is activated in a new clone.



OP was fixed. I meant consciousness, not pod (obviously, it was destroyed). You consciousness gets sent to a new clone with all existing knowledge gained. So, that info has to be sent through to the cloning station and uploaded into your new clone. Therefore, it must make it out of the WH.

Bloemkoolsaus wrote:
BFE wrote:
So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your pod transverses through the exit back to your home station.


Not quite. You get killed and your consciousness gets sent to a new clone waiting for you in some station.
Your actual pod/body/corpse stay right there were you died.
https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/The_Capsule_and_the_Clone


I know that. I meant consciousness, not your body.
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#5 - 2015-10-02 12:52:31 UTC
A - no, not spawning or clone jumping into a WH is one of the main differences between null and w-space, the other three being no sov, no moon goo and less goons

B - this is debatable, but it does remove some risk from w-space. On one hand it would mean people could have more stuff in a hole to tackle enemies with, on the other hand it encourages having your hole closed off constantly and just farming, and when someone sets your house on fire you just wait in hisec for your stuff to appear and laugh at the invaders for wasting their time
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#6 - 2015-10-02 13:01:36 UTC
Clone jumping is submitting your knowledge to another body, careful here, because the organism(corpse) is dead and doesn't leave the place, it's the data which is getting submitted (i.e. through subspace maybe?!)

moving items does mean that you move matter through space to a station, excactly what you do with a freighter .....

how can you even compare that ? oO
BFE
Shadow Flight
#7 - 2015-10-02 13:07:04 UTC  |  Edited by: BFE
RcTamiya wrote:
Clone jumping is submitting your knowledge to another body, careful here, because the organism(corpse) is dead and doesn't leave the place, it's the data which is getting submitted (i.e. through subspace maybe?!)

moving items does mean that you move matter through space to a station, excactly what you do with a freighter .....

how can you even compare that ? oO



Because regardless of whether you transport matter (items) or knowledge (how is this even measureable?), both have to transverse the WH exit to get back to your home station.

And one would think that a very technologically advanced station/Citadel would be able to accomplish this as it dies better than a pod could as it gets destroyed.....
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-10-02 13:36:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
BFE wrote:
So, When you get podded in a wormhole, your consciousness transverses through the exit back to your home station. Why then couldn't items being stored in a citadel that is destroyed do the same?

I suggest CCP consider one of the two following solutions.

A) A Citadel should be able to deploy cloning facilities (just like a Rorqual should be able to too) so that if you are podded in a wormhole, you can set that as your home station. If Citadels deployed within W-space cannot send items back to HS when it's destroyed, how can it send a complex consciousness of a podded pilot through? It SHOULDN'T! There should be a cloning station in the Citadel.

-or-

B) At least allow Citadels in WH's the same privileges to send items to a safe station like the Citadels in known space can do, like ti currently does with PODs.

Edit: Obviously, your pod cannot transverse the wormhole, it was destroyed. I meant to say consciousness. OP was fixed.


Yeah technically you should loose sp when podded in wormholes put that would be terrible, so ccp didn't go with that. You could argue that you conciseness (data) travels wormholes to reach a gate so that your clone in HS is updated Blink

I don't think clone jumping or death cloning should ever be in wormholes space but i do want the ability to swap clones within the system.

I don't like the idea of items being automatically moved out of a wormhole but if CCP added the ability to transport assets from a citadel to a strong hole (i.e. a safe with limited space) that could be destroyed and drop loot, I would be okay with that.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#9 - 2015-10-02 13:43:35 UTC
in on the first page

this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
MooMooDachshundCow
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-10-02 13:44:45 UTC
I don't think that the developers intend to limit this game to what is scientifically feasible.

Furthermore, I can't be arsed to find a link for this, but I thought the pods had sets of "fluid routers" where one was in your capsule and the other was in your medical station, and they were "quantum entangled" so whatever was ever saved in your consciousness was immediately and inherently transferred to the other fluid router in your med station. As such, when one explodes, they just rebuild your consciousness from the intact one in k-space.

Again though, I really don't care about lore, I just remember that explanation.

Having people wake up in a WH would favor small groups trying to fight against larger ones, but it would also make the larger ones nearly impossible to remove from a system. On the whole, podding people out of w-space is an important tactical mechanic and breaking it would have extreme ramifications for WH sieging.

I wouldn't hold my breath on this one. I think CCP has been clear about no clone jumping/medcloning into a WH.

Yeah, well, it's just like my opinion, man.
RcTamiya
Magister Mortalis.
#11 - 2015-10-02 13:49:25 UTC
BFE wrote:
RcTamiya wrote:
Clone jumping is submitting your knowledge to another body, careful here, because the organism(corpse) is dead and doesn't leave the place, it's the data which is getting submitted (i.e. through subspace maybe?!)

moving items does mean that you move matter through space to a station, excactly what you do with a freighter .....

how can you even compare that ? oO



Because regardless of whether you transport matter (items) or knowledge (how is this even measureable?), both have to transverse the WH exit to get back to your home station.

And one would think that a very technologically advanced station/Citadel would be able to accomplish this as it dies better than a pod could as it gets destroyed.....



No.
it's simple, all your knowledge is measureable (not what you know, but the information is coded in your brain), this code is what is getting submitted to another body, it's like a transmission with a frequency and as far as i know you can't transport matter with that, compare your brain with a harddrive/cloud and you'll get it ;)
Also how does the transmissionprogress work?! The basics are easy, grab information, submit them to new body, write them in his brain and revive that body, everything else is sci-fi and not explained anywhere What?
Logical, if it's in subspace it doesn't pass through gates or wormholes, it passes through space itself.

Beaming (that's what you want to do) is to destroy an object, have it's informations stored somewhere and transmit it's data to another spot to rebuild -> Quantumphysics
Eve does not have ANY beamingtechnology, so it aint possible :) in reality humanity was able to beam a few particles from hawaii to somewhere in the USA, using an intresting amount of energy, at it's current state it's not possible to even consider an organism or larger objects.
Persephone Alleile
Tartarus Covert Operations
#12 - 2015-10-02 14:14:59 UTC
Consciousness is non-local, it doesn't take up space and, thanks to the sci-fi technology in EVE (capsules, fluid routers, etc.), can travel instantaneously across space to a back-up body at death bypassing the need to go through a wormhole.

Items do take up space and there is no teleportation technology in the EVE universe, items need to be transported physically.
Viggo Konstanin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2015-10-02 15:02:45 UTC
Andrew Jester wrote:
in on the first page

this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure


RP wit me pls
Borsek
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2015-10-02 16:16:09 UTC
Viggo Konstanin wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
in on the first page

this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure


RP wit me pls


So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'.




Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap.
Kalel Nimrott
Caldari Provisions
#15 - 2015-10-02 16:30:00 UTC
Borsek wrote:
A - no, not spawning or clone jumping into a WH is one of the main differences between null and w-space, the other three being no sov, no moon goo and less goons

B - this is debatable, but it does remove some risk from w-space. On one hand it would mean people could have more stuff in a hole to tackle enemies with, on the other hand it encourages having your hole closed off constantly and just farming, and when someone sets your house on fire you just wait in hisec for your stuff to appear and laugh at the invaders for wasting their time


HaáaaaaaaahahA, less goons!

You ARE FUNNY!

Bob Artis, you will be missed.

O7
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#16 - 2015-10-02 18:22:01 UTC
Borsek wrote:
Viggo Konstanin wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
in on the first page

this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure


RP wit me pls


So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'.




Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap.

wow this is tame

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Alundil
Rolled Out
#17 - 2015-10-02 18:50:48 UTC
Borsek wrote:
Viggo Konstanin wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
in on the first page

this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure


RP wit me pls


So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'.




Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap.

http://imgur.com/HcZYm4k

I'm right behind you
Andrew Jester
Collapsed Out
Pandemic Legion
#18 - 2015-10-02 19:49:03 UTC
this is an RP thread now

If thuggin' was a category I'd win a Grammy
Viggo Konstanin
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-10-03 16:42:15 UTC
/puts on his robes and wizards hat

Someone get me some Dusette in here.
Cannibal Zuza
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-10-04 02:15:27 UTC
Alundil wrote:
Borsek wrote:
Viggo Konstanin wrote:
Andrew Jester wrote:
in on the first page

this'll be a thread full of good posts I'm sure


RP wit me pls


So I land on the station with my ship, and open up my cargo bay just slightly, flickering my external docking illuminators at your ship a few times. You can see a generous amount of hydraulic fluid being emanated from the cargo bay door hinge mechanism, as if there to say 'open for business'.




Now that you've had your puke and cringe, never mention RP again or I'll write more of this crap.

http://imgur.com/HcZYm4k


The ugliness in eve never cease to amaze me.
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