EVE General Discussion

Station Gambling- alt-tab for eve poker, minigames, oh like on facebook?
Corporate/Privately Owned Kiosks- no rather alt-r, corp contracts
Bars, General Hang Outs,- bunch of dudes /emote each other, hang out and do what?
Corporate War Rooms- discussed a few pages ago, we need a better F10, but not really, a poor excuse for avatars

my message is simple, your demands are frivolous
you just want things without explaining merits, it is the pro side that is on trial here

I have addressed all of the pro-WiS arguments at great length throughout this thread and other places. All of my beautifully crafted posts were ignored because people couldn't let go of the idea of turning Eve into some roleplayer fantasy dance party. What I've come to realize is that these people can only process chunks of information that are very small so I started streamlining my discussions into bite-sized chunks and it seems to be getting through much more successfully.

Reaching...

Don't have a good argument?

Just invent one.

We have explained a lot and there have been a lot of ideas for WiS content but you are not satisfied with them. You have every right to state your opinion and I'm actually very grateful that there are people pointing out the week points of that ideas. But that doesn't mean that you are automatically right or that there is no overall value in WiS as you keep stating.


They didn't ignored EVE for two years. You must have been playing a different EVE than me. In those two years were multiple Expansions, some with a lot of content, some with fewer content. Nothing out of the order looking at the years before those two years. And feature abandonment was already practiced before those two years. In those two years they build the carbon framework, something all players do now benefit from because it allows for much easier and faster work on features and changes. Your point is invalid.

It is your and our right to complain about feature abandonment, macro- and microtransactions, a badly implemented captains quarter and the lack of communication. That was done during the "Incarna rage".


We wan't to play EVE and *gasp* we already do it, not those other games. I know, hard to understand for someone like you...

So you don't have an answer. I figured as much.

Therein lies the crux of the dilemma for someone like me that doesn't want WiS.

You can come up with ideas for your utopian version of WiS all day long, but have you thought about the issues with the core concept of WiS, with establishments and whatnot, from a game designer's perspective? Few of you do.

If we look beyond the technical challenges that comes with WiS, there is the challenges of making it believable and something that you can immerse yourself in and how do you do that?

It is very hard to achieve that. You have to build new features and new ways to enjoy the game, either by adding content or changing mechanics to make things more interesting. That keeps the game fresh and veterans will resubscribe or keep their subscription. If non-EVE players have the impression that the game is fresh and has a lot of features they may have a look. Most players don't start to play older MMOs because they are afraid that they could be shutted down soon, because there may not be enough players to play with/against, the graphics are not up to date etc.
I think CCP has done a good job on keeping the graphics fresh and coming up with some nice features to make gameplay more interesting and more varied. Good examples are wormhole space, incursions and the numerous graphical updates. Of course there are some abandoned features that need some urgent tweaks and revamps. Some of that came with Crucible and even more will come with the next summer expansion.

So I'm asking, why can't WiS be a feature of that kind? If they do it right, it would create additional ways to play the game, bring in more players and may keep older players who venture in other areas of the game. The more varied the game is as a whole, the better for its longevity.



First of all most of those games are very different compared to EVE. Have a look at games that were more like a sandbox. Good example is Star Wars Galaxies. There were gameplay reasons to visit social areas like cantinas and ebcause of that there were almost any time people around. As they removed those gameplay reasons, the cantinas were empty. That is because I understand your points perfectly well. Even if I personaly would be satisfied by social areas, there is a need to create actual gameplay inside of stations.

To shortly outline what my argumentation is:
WiS is a good way to create a completly new subset of additional content to cater to new players and veterans alike and would help to keep the game alive and running. To achieve that, there has to be more content than just social areas, although they are important, too. Additionally WiS has to take the overall tone of EVE (sandbox, nowhere is save etc.) into account and tailor that into the WiS experiance to stay true to the original concept of the game. Creating that is no small undertaking and there are other features that need a revamp first and at the moment it is time to clean up and polish a lot of older things in EVE. After that, it would be a good idea to start to work on WiS again with a coherent concept.

I just gave you my answer.

You just failed to accept it.

Arguments ? Heh sound like rhetoric.. meaningless rubble..
As i wrote before you remind me of J. Bush junior. About same sense in 10 word max slogans.


P.S. Just watching how it is going.. seems like few more people in there..
*enjoys reading.

The in station factories alone could be awesome. Being able to place jobs with the foreman while looking out on the assembly process, automated machines in Caldari stations, sweat shops / assembly lines for the Minmatar, slaves in Amarr, laid back environments in Gallentee, obviously some of these components existing in all.