Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Hi

War declaration is a mechanism allowing for PvP interaction in empire space without facing CONCORD punishment or security status penalties. It allows you to hassle or get even with someone. You can even hire mercenaries to do the dirty job for you and they can use the wardec mechanism. And that's fine, it's part of the game, part of what makes it fun.

War declaration mechanism is abused. For some corps/alliance is it simply a way to circumvent the hi-sec security mechanisms, basically turning it into a big, highly populated null-sec zone.

Here are some real-time examples:

PIRAT alliance - 162 active wars and 53 pending wars
Guardians of the Galaxy - 110 active wars
Public Enemy - 12 active and 31 pending wars

There are others like Bad Neighbours, Forsaken Asylum, Marmite Collective and such. I'm positive there are more examples of this behavior.

I'm pretty sure that wasn't the original idea behind this feature.
I think it's wrong and needs to be dealt with.

My suggestion is to limit the allowed number of CONCURRENT war declarations or active wars for a corp/alliance to a single digit number, like 3 or 5.

Thank you

There is no problem with the number of concurrent war a corp/alliance can currently have. More concurrent wardec means more people who can shoot you back. It balances itself as long as the opposition try to do something about it. If every corp currently decced by PIRAT actually tried to do something, there might be a change in their behaviour but right now, I'm guessing they do nothing about it so PIRAT and co. keeps on trucking.

Also note that a new war is created every time a corp drops out of an alliance, when a corp at war joins an alliance or when an alliance at war disbands.

Large numbers of these "incidental" wars are a necessary result of how wars work. The trend of wardec corps being large and having large numbers of wars is a result of carebears calling for nerfs to wars and CCP blindly giving in without considering the consequences.

This is literally the result of carebears getting what they want. You wanted wars to be more expensive and to have more consequences for the aggressor and for the defender to have the ability to escalate unilaterally at no cost or risk to themselves and you got it. The result is highsec PVPers joining together to spread the massively increased costs around and to pool combat resources mitigate the risk of retaliation via the ally system.

You've people made your bed in Inferno, now you are laying in it rather than taking responsibility and admitting that maybe the changes that led to the problem were wrong you blindly call for more of the same nerfs.

It's hilarious.

"I" haven't made anything. I've been in the game for less then 6 months and this is my first feature request of any kind.
So don't generalize or jump into conclusions about things that aren't true.

I'm standing by my request. The people that are eager for PvP should be eager to jump into FW lowsec and show their skills there. The funny thing is I rarely see it on the killboards for people of the above mentioned alliances.

100+ concurrent wardecs has nothing to do with mercenary clients and everything with bypassing CONCORD for easy kills.

PvP can be done is Hi-sec. There are duels and ganking for this. But constantly wardeccing everything in sight is not it.

Wardecs are fine. Wardec abuse is not.

Once again stop assuming and generalizing as you're apparently very bad at it.
Abusive wardeccing is just as much a carebearing. When you shoot down industrials in hi-sec like there is no tomorrow, it is in no way more "honorable" then shooting NPCs.

I'm in a small corp with an average online attendance of 4-5 people, most of them new to the game. There is no way we can stand up and fight against gangs that include: A Sleipnir. two Loki's, a Svipul and a Stilleto.

We are talking about alliances consisting of several hundreds members constantly wardeccing corps of all sizes to increase the chance of having a valid easy target in hi-sec.
All these wardecs come with an "opt-out" option of paying some 400k-500k to end the war.
So it's not about mercenary contracts, it's simply an abuse of game mechanics.

No, that's not what it does. In the abusive cases it removes the presence of Concord entirely for the corp/alliance.

I don't intend to quit the game. I can always join an NPC corp to avoid that.

But, I want to be in a player corp, as this is what MMO games are for. I found a good group of people to join in order to do what I currently want to do. And yes, abusive wardeccing is bothering me.

So you are not forcing me out of the game, you are forcing me to stay in an NPC corp, ruining the idea behind MMO games.

It's intended to do that. That's the whole point of the mechanic, to get rid of Concord.