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A Sermon against the practice of self-flagellation
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Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#1 - 2015-10-01 17:52:17 UTC
Good Evening.

Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately.

Where people, believing themselves to be righteous, whip themselves with a variety of implements, in some kind of demonstration of their faith.

This practice should be at the very least, frowned upon, if not condemned outright.

Consider if you will, the Scriptures. The Book of Missions.

It is Written:

"Which test reveals more of the soul, the test that a man will take to prove his faith, or the test that finds the man who believed his faith already proven?"

Thus, we can see, that self-flagellation, being a test that a man, or indeed, a woman, for Righteousness is not reserved for either gender, or bloodline for that matter, since All are Welcome to be Chosen, will undertake to prove his, or her, Faith, only reveals a certain amount of the soul.

Thusly, a self-flagellant may be tempted to believe their faith already proven, by virtue of having self flagellated.

But such a belief is Wrong ! Wrong, I say !

For, it is not through self-flagellation that a person proves their faith.

No! It is from being flagellated by Someone Else !

A person may flagellate themselves with a length of rope, and believe themselves to be proving their Faith, but, as is Written, such action does not reveal much of the soul. Instead, that person should have someone else flagellate them, without mercy or restraint. Only then, would that person truly be revealing their soul.

Thusly, self-flagellation, should be frowned upon, according to Scripture.

It is Written.

And here endeth the Lesson.

Go with God.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#2 - 2015-10-01 18:06:19 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
A person may flagellate themselves with a length of rope, and believe themselves to be proving their Faith, but, as is Written, such action does not reveal much of the soul. Instead, that person should have someone else flagellate them, without mercy or restraint. Only then, would that person truly be revealing their soul.

See, people, masochism is bad. If I were to make a joke here, I would be stuck in my office for a long time writing an essay on "Political correctness and me."

Don't be me, do good stuff and let others satisfy your lust for self-harming, I mean. Roll

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Goldfinch
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2015-10-01 19:16:15 UTC

Jaret Victorian wrote:
See, people, masochism is bad.


Having not laid judgment on anything you've done, or are into, we are not sure why you wouldn't extend us the same courtesy?

\J/

veiled and bound

my origin story (on eve-backstage)
Shaddam Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-10-01 19:59:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaddam Daphiti
Your pride has led you to err here.

You fail to draw distinction between self flagellation for correction and mastery of the flesh and PUBLIC self flagellation, which is vanity and boastfulness.

My order denounces such public displays, our scars are between ourselves and God and for no other eyes.

Quote:

Thusly, a self-flagellant may be tempted to believe their faith already proven, by virtue of having self flagellated.



Any who believe thusly have missed the point of the act.

Quote:
No! It is from being flagellated by Someone Else !


There is a time and place for this, such as when a slave is errant of spirit and must be corrected, mediated with mercy, by his Holder.

My faith does not require proof to men of it's integrity. it is only to God that I owe such proof. That I punish the flesh to correct it's base and sinful impulses is nether test nor testament of such faith. It is correction, as a parent to a child.

of course I would expect such gross misunderstanding from a blood cultest.
Alizebeth Amalath
Doomheim
#5 - 2015-10-01 20:21:37 UTC
For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2015-10-01 20:40:27 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church.


Maybe try meditation? Get a nice cup of tea, sit cross-legged at the peak of a mountain and let the winds flay the weakness from you.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-10-01 20:40:44 UTC
Alizebeth Amalath wrote:
For flagellants, self-flagellation is not a test of faith. It is a form of devotion. Self-flagellation is thus akin to nightly prayers or going to church.



That or its a fetish.....
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2015-10-01 20:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Deitra Vess
just........ wow.... Amarr is messed up.

It is written (by me),
My ancestors became enslaved by a bunch of perverts...... but how? Were they always this way? No wonder the Jovians made short work of you.
Amen.
Nauplius
Hoi Andrapodistai
#9 - 2015-10-01 21:49:03 UTC
Do not flagellate yourself. Flagellate slaves. Amen. Amarr Victor.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2015-10-01 21:58:29 UTC
Nauplius wrote:
Do not flagellate yourself. Flagellate slaves. Amen. Amarr Victor.

"Also, bwahahaha."
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#11 - 2015-10-01 22:30:00 UTC
It is a sad day when sabik satire makes more sense and sounds more sane than things coming from capsuleers who claim to be loyalists.
Anyanka Funk
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-10-01 22:36:16 UTC
Aria Jenneth wrote:
Nauplius wrote:
Do not flagellate yourself. Flagellate slaves. Amen. Amarr Victor.

"Also, bwahahaha."

If you have nothing constructive to say then shush!

To add to the discussion,
Nauplius, you can flagellate my slaves any time you want. Okay, sweety? Don't listen to the unrighteous on these here forums.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#13 - 2015-10-01 22:36:38 UTC
Deitra Vess wrote:
just........ wow.... Amarr is messed up.

It is written (by me),
My ancestors became enslaved by a bunch of perverts...... but how? Were they always this way? No wonder the Jovians made short work of you.
Amen.


To be honest, a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs. In this case, endorphines.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Deitra Vess
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#14 - 2015-10-01 23:16:28 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:


To be honest, a lot of religions have practices that result in ecstatic visions caused by drugs. In this case, endorphines.


I would be lying if I said I didn't agree with you on that point. My only issue with this is........ Well, using drugs for a vision quest or to commune with your ancestors is one thing, maiming yourself to possibly glorify some God who orders you to maim others, it doesn't make sense to me. Their God wants them to hinder themselves from doing this work he commands? If your commanding officer ordered you to march 10 kilometers, would you shoot yourself in the foot because your Jack boot wasn't polished the night before and you thought it would please him to see you suffer for your own misgivings?
Arrendis
TK Corp
#15 - 2015-10-01 23:54:14 UTC
Valerie Valate wrote:
Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately..


Possibly because it was an entry tin the 'academic' category of the New Eden Writing Contest. For which, you're one of the judges. Did you, I dunno, miss that part of it? Or the part where even the Matari haven't been trashing the guy because it's a contest entry?
Shaddam Daphiti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-10-02 00:03:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Shaddam Daphiti
Arrendis wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately..


Possibly because it was an entry tin the 'academic' category of the New Eden Writing Contest. For which, you're one of the judges. Did you, I dunno, miss that part of it? Or the part where even the Matari haven't been trashing the guy because it's a contest entry?


it's also fairly clear that she didn't in fact read the essay at all... within it I make it plain the reasons and intent of such a practice which is nothing like what she claims here, nor is it in any ways like the sick sexual fantasies imagined by others in this same thread.
Jaret Victorian
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#17 - 2015-10-02 00:25:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaret Victorian
Goldfinch wrote:

Jaret Victorian wrote:
See, people, masochism is bad.


Having not laid judgment on anything you've done, or are into, we are not sure why you wouldn't extend us the same courtesy?


What, Amarr can reclaim anyone, but I can't reclaim some puny satire on Galnets?

And please, feel free to lay your judgement all over my doings. I like to be in the spotlight.
Shaddam Daphiti wrote:

it's also fairly clear that she didn't in fact read the essay at all... within it I make it plain the reasons and intent of such a practice which is nothing like what she claims here, nor is it in any ways like the sick sexual fantasies imagined by others in this same thread.

Are you uncomfortable? I am sorry for violating your imagination.

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Tyrel Toov
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#18 - 2015-10-02 00:28:55 UTC
Anyanka Funk wrote:

Nauplius, you can flagellate my slaves any time you want. Okay, sweety?

Oh, god.... the connotations. Somebody pass the brain bleach.

I want to paint my ship Periwinkle.
Foley Aberas Jones
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2015-10-02 00:56:02 UTC
Tyrel Toov wrote:
Anyanka Funk wrote:

Nauplius, you can flagellate my slaves any time you want. Okay, sweety?

Oh, god.... the connotations. Somebody pass the brain bleach.



Yo Yo Yo

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And you are god damn right im peddling my crop's goods in your thread
Lunarisse Aspenstar
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2015-10-02 00:56:41 UTC
Arrendis wrote:
Valerie Valate wrote:
Self Flagellation has, for some reason, become a topic of discussion lately..


Possibly because it was an entry tin the 'academic' category of the New Eden Writing Contest. For which, you're one of the judges. Did you, I dunno, miss that part of it? Or the part where even the Matari haven't been trashing the guy because it's a contest entry?


Empress (Bless her Ascended Soul), Miss Valate is not one of the judges. Over... my... dead.. body!
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