EVE General Discussion

Wardecs are not going anywhere. CCP is clearly maintaining them as the only way to attack a structure in highsec. If you want to use a structure you will have to defend them from wardecs. Simple as that.

Now that said, I am all for new social mechanisms where those who don't actually want to compete, or who are just starting out to join a corporation-like social group. You should be able to tune your risk in this game and if you just want to dip your toes in the sandbox, it should be possible. In fact, I think it likely CCP will release such a mechanism.

Such a mechanism will allow friends just to form a social group, or give a new corporation a chance to grow while still respecting risk vs. reward.

But wardecs against proper player corps with in-space assets? They are here to stay.

And all this comes to an issue I am pushing for. Make war decs system based. Base cost for lowsec so players can pirate hunt without the hit. Then highsec you select systems, regions and constellations with price based on per system services and occupancy. Can war dec still, lower cost for new players to establish small corp wars, much higher cost to do a full highsec grief. Want an rvb fight? If made mutual, dec goes global and is base cost to maintain.


Ta da! Win for everybody except people who only want to grief. Bad for business that is.

Hardly. Its more like - see a likely corp for a war dec, spend 200mil isk, for the privilege of shooting them, then watch them go afk for a week, or watch them all quit corp and join an npc corp (only to join their old corp after a week), or watch them tear down their pos in the 24 hr before the dec goes online, etc. . .

In short war decs are consensual.

Progressively reduce highsec to 50 systems or less. A 'training wheels' area (nerf rewards, eliminate incursions, etc.). Keep suicide ganking as today.

Allow sov-holding alliances to create pockets of highsec (CONCORD) in null. Freely set taxes, compete against other alliances to attract miners, industrialists, mission runners, etc. Suicide ganking still possible ofc.

Now, instead of attacking highsec players (the 'civilians'), you are free to attack the sov-holding alliance that 'harbors' them (the 'government' and 'military').


Then just eliminate wardecs, they'd be useless.


EVE fixed.

just take a certain group of wusses and look at it:
the whple alliance does not own a structure...
just allow wars between entities that owns structures.
imagine how it would be if codies had own poses...
mercs would be payed to take jimmy and his braindead cronies stations down.
the risk of a ganker?
certainly not the ship, which is written of to be destroyed by concorde, the moment it gets fitted.

so codies for eg have nothing to loose, so there is no risk anywhere, except for the risk to fail completly.

10 bil for 200 wars?
best example for wardecc abuse.

In my experience as a CEO, if you are getting lots of wardecs, it is because you or your members are doing stupid stuff that invites wardecs.

Take your 5 billion isk and hire a mercenary oufit to do some damage to the war deccers. Thery are looking for soft targets. Don't be one.

Marech.

Some are taking this out of context. The pvp sandbox works fine, the gankings while somtimes irritating are an integral part of the game. My only quip about the system as a whole is that the wardec system is imbalanced toward favoring the large. Given that most here, and I am quickly adapting, greatly enjoy things is not in question and I am not suggesting that wardecs be done away with. What I am suggesting is that the system for wardecs could be adapted to make small social groups have a fair chance to exist even if there are tight limitations on member numbers or restrictions on structures put in place.

Most of the responses seem to lean on either going to null sec or quitting the game, thats not the way to look at new players who, even in groups, lack the skills and experience to survive an attack from a skilled player in a level 2 destroyer let alone a wardec from an established corp. Creating the option of building a lower tier corp, more aimed at new players and social functionality rather than hardcore pvp is not unreasonable. Look at it this way, a good number of those who are new to the game may start out in a corp like this rather than the spam and troll filled npc corps, but many will move toward the higher end corps once they have some skill points and flying time logged. Groups of players will likely move past the starter corp phase, giving root and a foundation for newcomers to challenge the status quo and create epic battles. Even for the people that never leave the carebear corps, it creates more life and a larger target pool for you gank lovers and a good source of potential recruits for the tier 1 corps.

Ultimately making the game more accessible to rookies without watering down the actual game content benefits everyone, even if you live in null and never see any of them, ccp would have a larger pool of subscribers to R+D the parts of the game you personally love.

This is kinda the point. You know what you are doing so they don;t attack you. People who are newer, less experienced or just bad are their targets, because thy are just as risk averse as those they cry about. It would be great if people pushed themselves for a challenge, but it just doesn't happen, so they same groups of people mass farm noobs day in and day out to give them something to pat themselves on the back for. This is where CCP needs to step in and force risk/reward.

Agree on all points. I imagine this is how CCP will play it long term. Effectively breaking down corporations into tiers so that there's levels of risk rather than the all or nothing plunge there is now.