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Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#41 - 2015-10-01 13:14:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Aria Jenneth
Arkoth 24 wrote:
You may believe in whatever you want. This is free will. But memories stolen from the dead are not just your shelter - they are the cage you were trapped into. And throwing them away is the only way to reveal your true-self. To be whatever you want to be. A human? A monster? A puppet playing it's role? Whatever. But not a blind fool on a leash.


... you really don't know me, do you, pilot? I'm an amnesiac. It's a cloning issue; my personal memories failed to make the jump.

I couldn't be caged by my past beyond maybe half a dozen clones back if I wanted to.

In any case, could you and Mr. Egivand maybe take your derailment onto its own set of tracks?
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#42 - 2015-10-01 13:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arkoth 24
Elmund Egivand wrote:
There is no second chance, but there IS inheritance, and no matter how you try to be rid of it, traces will remain. To really expunge all data, I mustn't inherit any of Elmund 7.0's data to begin with. I have to be a blank-slate clone.

Inheritance may be important for someone, but for Nanoblack it means nothing. There's really no matter where our personality, dicisions and habbits came from and where would they go. The only thing that matters is that your ancestors are dead and you'll be dead when another clone will take everything what you call yours.

Aria Jenneth wrote:
... you really don't know me, do you, pilot? I'm an amnesiac.

Sounds like something special.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2015-10-01 13:30:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Elmund Egivand
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
There is no second chance, but there IS inheritance, and no matter how you try to be rid of it, traces will remain. To really expunge all data, I mustn't inherit any of Elmund 7.0's data to begin with. I have to be a blank-slate clone.

Inheritance may be important for someone, but for Nanoblack it means nothing. There's really no matter where our personality, dicisions and habbits came from and where would they go. The only thing that matters is that your ancestors are dead and you'll be dead when another clone will take everything what you call yours.



Psychological and genetic inheritance cannot be refused. They are in your genes and in your mind. They are thrust upon you, whether you like it or not. And they will haunt you, nag at you, whether you choose to deny them or accept them. Spectres and traces of your inheritance will show whether you are or are not conscious about them.

Material inheritance can be refused, but psychological and genetic inheritance are not choices. They will be passed down, absorbed, internalised, and become an inherent part of yourself.

One day, Elmund 7.5 will perish and be replaced with Elmund 9.0. However, spectres of Elmund 7.5 will always manifest in 9.0 even if he doesn't want it. He has, after all, inherited ALL that Elmund 7.5 was, just as how 7.5 inherited all that 7.0 was. Every data from since there was an Elmund 1.0 will manifest itself and the only way to really be rid of it is to not have any of Elmund's data transferred to begin with.

The importance of such an inheritance doesn't matter. You will inherit those, and you have no choice in the matter. The choice of not inheriting anything is not made by yourself, but by someone other than you, the one who is in charge of the clone bay.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Victoria du Ponte
Doomheim
#44 - 2015-10-01 15:04:48 UTC
Diana Kim wrote:

From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear.

Can, um, anyone else elaborate? Is this true from an Achuran view?
Tabris Katz wrote:

During your captivity did you ever hear anyone mention or meet an Amarrian woman by the name of Leliel Katz?

Sorry, sir, I don't remember anyone of that name. My 'owern' met with some Amarr sometimes and some of them were women, but I don't remember the names.
Lasairiona Raske
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#45 - 2015-10-01 15:35:43 UTC
I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you.

Are you a devil or an angel

Sent here from heaven or from hell?

Sweet temptress, I'm wrapped in your tangles

Can't find my way out of your spell
Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#46 - 2015-10-01 15:36:07 UTC
Victoria du Ponte wrote:
I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood.


Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell?

“When you want to know how things really work, study them when they're coming apart.” -Guristas Proverb.
Victoria du Ponte
Doomheim
#47 - 2015-10-01 15:46:51 UTC
Apparently that's classified. Mother knows, but she cannot tell me. As for my 'owner' his name was Dumas. Most people called him le Bel.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2015-10-01 15:48:51 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Victoria du Ponte wrote:
I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood.


Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell?



It's more likely for her to remember any distinguishable marks on his person. Perhaps he has a mark on him?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Victoria du Ponte
Doomheim
#49 - 2015-10-01 16:00:32 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Rook Moray wrote:
Victoria du Ponte wrote:
I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood.


Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell?



It's more likely for her to remember any distinguishable marks on his person. Perhaps he has a mark on him?


There's a great big hole in his forehead! I remember that. It goes all the way through.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2015-10-01 16:03:32 UTC
Victoria du Ponte wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Rook Moray wrote:
Victoria du Ponte wrote:
I was rescued from a Serpentis location in Syndicate in YC104. I had been owned by a Serpentis officer for as long as I can remember back into my childhood.


Outside of the Guristas angle....what system? What was the snakehead's name and did he work for a specific cell?



It's more likely for her to remember any distinguishable marks on his person. Perhaps he has a mark on him?


There's a great big hole in his forehead! I remember that. It goes all the way through.


Any other kind of marks? Like birthmarks, scars, perhaps a pale eye?

Did you see the person who shot him?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Yarosara Ruil
#51 - 2015-10-01 16:06:08 UTC
Victoria du Ponte wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear.

Can, um, anyone else elaborate? Is this true from an Achuran view?


What the Strike Commander is trying to say, in regard to her own spiritual belief, is that each time "you" die a capsuleer death, you leave behind a "ghost" that goes on to join your ancestors in afterlife. The amount of shock value this would inflict on your biological parents would hinge on how pious they are with their spiritual beliefs. Of course, if true, afterlife is going to be really awkward for the average capsuleer.

Frankly, it could go either way. Your real parents, if still alive, could be elated with the fact you are comfortably set for life career wise, or concerned over the fact you are now effectively immortal, or utterly disgusted with your current connections to the Federation.

You shouldn't be too worried about that. There's still hope for you!
Victoria du Ponte
Doomheim
#52 - 2015-10-01 16:11:30 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:

Did you see the person who shot him?


Yup, it was a Gallente Marine. He still comes around to see mom and me sometimes. Great guy. Always brings the best sweets.

Yarosara Ruil wrote:

You shouldn't be too worried about that. There's still hope for you!

Thank you! I think they would want to know I am alive and well, myself.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2015-10-01 16:23:46 UTC
Maybe it's best to ask that Marine. Details about him?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.
Victoria du Ponte
Doomheim
#54 - 2015-10-01 17:39:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Victoria du Ponte
My mother was on the team that rescued me. Though, because of some official secrets act or something, a bunch of details are classified until YC129. She's told me all she knows, of course, but a lot of the background intelligence that kicked off the operation is still hidden. I put in an information request with the FIO, but, well, you know how they do.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#55 - 2015-10-01 21:52:18 UTC
Victoria du Ponte wrote:
Diana Kim wrote:

From spiritual point of view though it might be very vexing to know that body and memories of your deceased relative are still used by someone to achieve some sort of task. And although these memories make us think that we are 'continuation' of their lives, we are already new lives. Returning to your parents to show them that you use body and memories of their long deceased daughter might be too much for them to bear.

Can, um, anyone else elaborate? Is this true from an Achuran view?

Um. A little more about that: the question would have to be "which view." There are about a bajillion.

For a kinda-sorta theocracy, the Achur religion isn't very organized.

I do feel pretty safe saying that Ms. Kim's view is in the minority, though (and I don't think she'll mind if I say she's culturally Caldari, anyway). Achura tend to be attracted to the capsule because of its philosophical implications; for a tiny bloodline, we're WAY over-represented among capsuleers.
Arkoth 24
Doomheim
#56 - 2015-10-01 22:04:48 UTC
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you.

Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#57 - 2015-10-01 22:21:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Pieter Tuulinen
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you.

Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do.


It's a side effect of cheap materials, actually. When your body is made of retro-virally altered potato peelings then it often won't hold a baby to term. If you wish to do it that way, and of course it's your decision and a completely valid lifestyle choice to do so. Clones made to a higher standard of workmanship and materials do not have that problem and, really, most of the people who shouldn't breed probably wouldn't get to do so without the aid of a Petri dish and an eyedropper, anyway.

And that's just a dreadful way to spend a Saturday evening.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#58 - 2015-10-01 22:22:18 UTC
Arkoth 24 wrote:
Lasairiona Raske wrote:
I just choose to ignore idiots. I am still a woman, mother, daughter, and capsuleer. I fully pity you for your bleak perspective on our existence, Mr. Arkoth. Truly truly pity you.

Don't they make clones to be sterile? In some cases they should really do.

Often. Not always.

Few capsuleers choose to have children, though there are always exceptions.

I've been looking at your corporate and personal data, Mr. Arkoth, and, respectfully, you seem to be kind of romanticizing death and existential dread. It reminds me of what my predecessor used to call "the Black," that is, the sort of void spirit she felt poisoned capsuleer souls, drawing us down into an abyss of cold uncaring, inimical to life.

(To be clear, both "spirit" and "souls" should be taken figuratively here-- my antecedent and I are both Shuijing practitioners; our sect doesn't teach the existence of literal spirits or gods. Or souls.)

Actually, though, I think she was just really depressed.
Ashlar Vellum
Esquire Armaments
#59 - 2015-10-01 23:23:02 UTC
Gallente marine that saved you should know the system and station where his unit was deployed that day, after all 13 years is not that big of a time frame. When you will narrow down the exact location search for the station manager and make him talk, those people always know everything about their domains.

Best of luck in your search Ms. du Ponte.
Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#60 - 2015-10-02 01:39:38 UTC
Ashlar Vellum wrote:
Gallente marine that saved you should know the system and station where his unit was deployed that day, after all 13 years is not that big of a time frame. When you will narrow down the exact location search for the station manager and make him talk, those people always know everything about their domains.

Best of luck in your search Ms. du Ponte.


Just name of system and name of station and name of marine is a good starting point. Using those to ask around is going to turn up something and perhaps rustle a couple beehives.

Wouldn't that be interesting?

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.