Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's threads like these that make me happy certain emojis exist.

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Technically speaking the game is NOT broken, but it IS possible to do. 1 webbing friend and you can defeat every single gatecamp. Doesn't matter if they have 40 or 400 people on the other side of that gate. Your buddy jumps through the gate, sees all heck waiting to pounce you on the other side, tells you "NOPE!", and you both safe log until later. Or heck, you can take your VERY good chances and forge through it anyway, web your freighter right and that 400-man fleet can do nothing but cry in local while you play a song off Youtube "Can't touch this!.

Even if you forsake having friends because you can't trust anybody in EVE, that doesn't preclude you from scouting the gates yourself. If your cargo is important enough...and it should be if you're already fielding a 1-bill isk vessel just to move it, then repackage and carry a single shuttle along with you. They're tiny, you can always dock in a system, change to the shuttle, check the next gate, see if any bumpers are active there, then return to the station with your freighter. Or...you have 3 characters per account, just jump to a safe with your freighter, log in your scout buddy, jump through the next gate, safe log, re-log with your freighter, continue on. It's a bit more clunky, but it beats having to worry about possible systems without a station for you to re-ship.

There's dozens of ways to safely ship in highsec, and that's the simplest two that beat 99.99% of the scenarios you'll run into. For that 0.01% where those methods don't save you, I doubt anything else will, and superior planning on the ganker's side is rewarded with a kill (and they deserve it if they can pull it off). Face it, this is EvE, you can't have 100% security because the game would be broken if you could. You just have to learn the mechanics of how the game is played, and step up.

Fair enough.




I guess we will have to agree to disagree then. I fully understand the risks of eve and non consensual pvp.

In null/low sec space you can make sure there are no neutral/hostiles on the travel route of your freighter before you even undock it. You cannot do that in high sec space.

In null/low sec you can actively engage and kill any neutral/hostiles on your travel route before they engage you. You cannot do that in high sec space.

In high sec space you need to have your freighter be attacked before you can protect it. Again, not the case in null/low sec.


I am not sure how people can defend what I have posted above unless you're a suicide ganker, in which case. Make hay while the sun shines. And the sun has been shining for 12 years now.

Capitals are supposed to require support, freighters are not exempt from this no matter how much you might want it. Pay plenty of attention and you should be able to spot ganks before they happen; and using a webber can help you get to a station to hide for a while or whatever.

As others have pointed out, 40vs1 ends up as a very short, very one sided fight no matter where you are.

Your idea means a lot less ships and their cargo is destroyed. Hauling becomes so easy prices in every corner of hi-sec equalise and it becomes even more difficult to make money out of hauling.

If you truly think there is no way to defend yourself when hauling in a freighter, let someone who knows what they are doing haul it for you. Ill haul it for you for a fair price.

Ganking needs to stay.


But the Mechanics do need to be more balanced.

Was waiting for the just one more nerf.

I was being optimistic and giving a theoretical break. You are screwed most likely yes. Try to be positive get called out for it. My usual jaded self I get called jaded and bitter. Can't win here really.


And its your recreational habits we have to wonder about really. 40 on 1....stuff dies. You are saying this is unfair to freighters. Please do tell, what ship is fairing any better here? In empire since this seems to be the focus.


40 ships have decided my kronos must die, it will die. In bastion even. And I actually run a real tank for defense out of bastion (not glass cannon rely on bastion effect tanking style).

I will even let you dual tank an orca. I was partial to shield tank mids and hull tank lows. Not easy to kill...but not invincible either.

The problem is not the gank, the loss, the amount of ships used, nor the cost variation between the ganker and the ganked.

The problem is the bump...

The suggestion has been made that you can gank the bumper...
Why should a player have to commit a criminal act in order to stop a criminal act?
The worst part about this action is the standing loss.

Here's a suggestion.

When you bump another ship, you're given a suspect flag..

What does this do?
Well, CONCORD will not attack the target, but other players can freely engage that target without CONCORD/gate gun response, and without standing loss.

Now, this is a nerf to ganking, but only in the case of the bumper. If you can gank a freighter without having to pump it with a Mach, then you're fine.
However, this does push the defense of the target onto the players.
So if you don't know/can't find someone willing to assist you, you're still screwed.

This will also (hopefully) stop the bumping off-grid, which I feel is a EULA breach as they're bumping off grid in order to avoid the response of gate guns during the gank.
Number 23 in the Rules of Conduct

It has been stated that using grid mechanics to take advantage of a situation is against the EULA.
This has been stated in situations where players were knowingly using the grid to break locks, or bounce on and off grid in order to avoid damage.
It's also been stated that it's against the rules the attempt to escape CONCORD response.

Why is it ok that gankers are intentionally bumping the target off-grid in order to avoid gate gun and faster CONCORD response?
In a RL scenario (i know, RL vs game) there wouldn't be a grid to bump the target out of.
It also causes situations where the target/gank fleet is right on the edge of a grid, which causes some of the CONCORD response to land off-grid at warp in, reducing response time that much more.


Regardless of my belief on the grid mechanics, I truly feel that bumping should give a suspect flag, which allow players to potentially defend themselves without losing standing to do so.(Standing is much more important than a destroyer.)

Also, I would like to see players locked out of stations for the duration of the criminal flag.
I don't get why NPCs are always like "Oh hey there... I see you've pissed off CONCORD and are a known criminal.. Common in, buddy!"

Suspect bumping makes jita unlock lolworthy. The only way I've seen a viable way to make it work is to make bumping only work if a target is locked then a flag is an optin but it's probably a code nightmare.

You're in HS... You're in harm's way when you undock in that freighter from the get go.