Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Greetings Traveler,
i recently went brainstorm on some ideas. So here it is. I am curious about what you have to say. Please let me know how to dismantle it.
What if, "ECM cancels the ability for the victim to receive remote assists/reps on a successful jam".

Implications:
1) ECM useless to counter Solo,MicroGang (without logi) Gameplay. RIP FalconAlt *sniff* (unless the logialt comes in )
2) Fleets of DPS/Reps 50:50 is more likely to have losses when engaged by a similar fleet that has ECM.
3) ECMships are very fragile by now, this is a good balance for its power. However unbonused ECMstrength might need to be nerfed so that armorDoctrines with ecm in midslots are not totaly OP.
4) Jams can still fail and then the target can catch reps before buffer is down.
5) ECM ships allow for more interesting counterplay than just "reps vs. dps vs. alpha". (example: kill that kitsune with your claw already)
6) Ships will die faster and fleet engagements might be over quicker. This might be a really bad thing, as provoking escalations are way harder without some investment.
7) remote(edit) ECCM becomes an important active module. A ship might have enough buffer to survive 20sec and then it is (very likely to be) saved. So therefore targetswitching is still a thing.
8) The narrative of Caldari Ships (that they can stay on field longer and tank/protect stuff), is going to change to something way more agressive.
9) Armor Doctrines with their repair effect at the end of cycle might be hit more by this. But on the other hand they have those midslots to compensate with ECCM.
10) probably more engagements for pilots who like to bring ECM to their roams in lowsec.

So here we go. TLDR: I am predicting a nerf to medium fleets and a buff for micro ones. Or does it make Fleets suddenly more engageing? But however there are soooo many ways of gameplay that i cant cover them all. Have i missed something?
I do not yet know if that is something i want to see implemeanted. What are you thoughts about it?

Side note: Sensor Strength and ECMstrength can be tweaked very seperately from almost any other Ship's Stats. (exept Probing).

I think ECM is powerful enough.

But what if remote repair are tied to other factors?

For example (not possible at the moment I guess but the direction should be clear) why not "buff" existing Ewar that is not on as popular as ECM? I know, you wouldn't be able to use your favorite ECM but we want to find a solution to your proposed problem with remote repair,eh?

Let's take remote sensor damps. When used they reduce the effektivnes of remote repairs by x percent. Diminishing return or only highest effekt is used?

Lore may be that cause of the magnetic fields of the damps emit all remote repairs disturbed.

Off course such a powerful weapon need a drawback. The effekt will count to both ships. Attacker and victim.

Maybe a script? Normal Damp would have 0% effekt but res. and range damp. With script you can chose either range or resolution is switched with this effekt.

Remote Reps can not be nerfed in this way.
As this just simply makes everything F1 blob warfare with survival of any individual pilot being pure luck on who gets targeted by the enemy fleet.
If you want to nerf remote reps, you have to also nerf F1 blobs DPS stacking on targets also. So that fleets no longer put all reps and all DPS on a single target but have to split it between lots, both in attack and defence.
This splitting then creates a degree of chaos meaning pilot skill in knowing who their DPS/Rep targets are comes into play rapidly and fleets have to stay very disciplined or ships will explode in the midst of it due to reps going wrong ways.

This is then good game play as players feel they have effects both good & bad based on actions.
Magic 'Haha, you can't get reps and 50 of us just shot you' effects however, do not make for good game play

i wouldn't mind ecm ships becoming more of a target painting drone e-war ships, so drone e-war being essentially ecm on drones so, you ecm the mothership and the effect makes its drones idle for say 15 seconds and then there is a couple of seconds delay whilst the drones reconnect too the mothership and then that ship is immune too the ecm for another cycle or the drones can at least get a volley off on the target before being jammed again..

Reduce sensor strength of logistic ships, so jamming will be much easier.

imho damps are fine. they have enough counterplay and for micro solo are not a "cancerous problem" like ecm is. Their effects are well balanced (not speaking about numbers here). When being damped pilots can still come up close and brawl (given speed). While ecm forces them into passiveness, thats a very bad feeling for my victims.

Sorry, does not solve the "forced-passivity problem". At least drones/droneboats offer some counterplay, but its mostly immunity.
Ewardrones is a whole new topic. My favorite so far is to make ewar drones the size of 25/50/125 and therefor negate all stacking penalty problems. But .... meh ... another topic. not going deep here with it.

Does not solve the "forced passiveness"-problem.
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also: Isnt going to shake the meta enough.
Can be countered by ("lazy"/unagile) remote eccm. Benefits the large fleets and armor more.
Therefor still 50:50 dps:logi fleets without any losses for the winning side.
Therefor does not solve the "investment"-problem of fleet fights.

So what about Incursion Communities if this became a thing? When they get jammed out by the Niarja they can't get reps (Looking at you TCRC!) ?

As for my personal opinion EWAR is fine as it is. If you want to disrupt logistics, which is essentially what you're saying, then take on the logi-squad and disrupt the whole squad.

Can't get behind this idea at all.

Updated:

So you want all ships to pack ECCM? The purpose of gangs, I think especially small gangs, is that each ship plays to it's particular strength: You've got DPS, ECM, Logi and they should be fitted appropriatley. What you're asking is to nerf something (that has no logic in it) because you want to force people into fitting ECCM just so they can receive RRs?

RRs have no business being impacted by ECM unless the logi RRing is jammed out\damped and out of range\capped out etc. Just my thoughts.

As long as the chances of a hit are quite drastically cut this might be workable, not sure making ECCM a mandatory module would improve the game at all. Still prefer the idea of it killing drone bandwidth but anything that stops ECM ruining small scale stuff would be welcome.