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Bhaalgorn - Useful in mission running?
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Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#21 - 2015-09-04 01:13:10 UTC
Yep, wouldn't be the "best", if that's a word I can use safely, but it can run missions quite fine. You may have to invest more into it's fit than other alternatives and it still will not outperform any of the leading mission boats, but it's doable. The NOS buff is nice should you find cap an issue for what ever fit you decide to run and the web range buff is awesome for megapulses and helping drones out in close. One other thing to remember is that something like a Bhaalgorn, while not made for missions, doesn't scream, "This is a mission boat with some faction/DS goodies aboard," like other ships do. Just don't expect it to blow through missions like that very job is it's calling. It's like lasers on Angel rats -- not top of the line, but it's doable.

And, BR ships are Cool looking anyways...

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#22 - 2015-09-04 01:51:26 UTC
Elsa Hayes wrote:
As far as tracking is concerned use your dual webs, 28km range. People made it look like the Bhaal could do jack in pve, "hilariously inept pve boat" someone said, which is absolutely not the case. Yes some ships do it better but then again some ships do it still worse, a lot worse, that was the entire point. The reason why the OP had very poor results was probably due to him not fitting the ship right.

Are there better options out there? Certainly!
Is the Bhaal the worst pve ship as some people made it sound? Certainly not.

the tracking bonus is more of a perk, I'm far more interested in the damage bonus. and meh web bonus, even with the 99% 15km domination web I hardly used it on the paladin. was kinda funny 1 shotting frigs in orbit. but imo targets shouldn't make it that close in the first place.

Of course it isn't the worst pve ship, its probably better than a scorpion, but that isn't saying a lot. inept is probably the right word for it. hilariously might be taking it too far, but hey it's the forums, hyperbole is allowed.

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Mikkir
SHINKETSU Inc.
#23 - 2015-09-05 00:33:58 UTC
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Not so bad as it might have seemed.

not so bad, but still not as good as other options. I'd much rather have the damage and tracking bonuses of the nightmare, or the range and damage bonuses of the paladin. Or just a mach, because never not mach in missions.


As far as tracking is concerned use your dual webs, 28km range. People made it look like the Bhaal could do jack in pve, "hilariously inept pve boat" someone said, which is absolutely not the case. Yes some ships do it better but then again some ships do it still worse, a lot worse, that was the entire point. The reason why the OP had very poor results was probably due to him not fitting the ship right.

Are there better options out there? Certainly!
Is the Bhaal the worst pve ship as some people made it sound? Certainly not.


As a group amarr ships are pretty terrible at running mission, and the bhaalgorn is only average among them.

I also think it's the worst pirate battleship for running missions by a fair margin, and each faction has a tech 1 battleship that will perform better in level 4's than the bhaalgorn.

People should fly what they like and the bhaalgorn does have an appeal to it, but using it as a PvE mission ship is working harder to get less.
Ahed Sten
#24 - 2015-09-25 01:56:00 UTC
Mikkir wrote:
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
Elsa Hayes wrote:
Not so bad as it might have seemed.

not so bad, but still not as good as other options. I'd much rather have the damage and tracking bonuses of the nightmare, or the range and damage bonuses of the paladin. Or just a mach, because never not mach in missions.


As far as tracking is concerned use your dual webs, 28km range. People made it look like the Bhaal could do jack in pve, "hilariously inept pve boat" someone said, which is absolutely not the case. Yes some ships do it better but then again some ships do it still worse, a lot worse, that was the entire point. The reason why the OP had very poor results was probably due to him not fitting the ship right.

Are there better options out there? Certainly!
Is the Bhaal the worst pve ship as some people made it sound? Certainly not.


As a group amarr ships are pretty terrible at running mission, and the bhaalgorn is only average among them.


While I would never suggest using a Bhaal for running missions; Apoc, Napoc, Armageddon, Paladin. There's nothing "terrible" about Amarr mission boats whatsoever.


Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#25 - 2015-09-29 02:12:17 UTC
If you have people coming into your mission site and messing with you, the Bhaalgorn stops being silly and inefficient.

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Uriam Khanid
New Machinarium Corporation
#26 - 2015-09-29 16:41:45 UTC
Mikkir wrote:


As a group amarr ships are pretty terrible at running mission, and the bhaalgorn is only average among them.



Please, can you right what terrible in amarr ship in PVE as a group?
Except cap stability, which is a dumb idea for amarr
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#27 - 2015-09-29 16:53:18 UTC
Mikkir wrote:

As a group amarr ships are pretty terrible at running mission, and the bhaalgorn is only average among them.

Yeah you're going to have to explain yourself on this one.

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Mikkir
SHINKETSU Inc.
#28 - 2015-09-29 23:41:30 UTC
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Mikkir wrote:

As a group amarr ships are pretty terrible at running mission, and the bhaalgorn is only average among them.

Yeah you're going to have to explain yourself on this one.



That's fair.

Amarr ships have good paper DPS, but it gets a reality check if they're not facing EM weak enemies. The nightmare and the paladin can power through this with raw DPS (probably the navy geddon as well), but I find the other ships just were less impressive.

Amarr ships are very cap unstable. You don't have to have stability to run missions, especially if you're damage skills are capped, but I find pilots first stepping up to the battleship level struggle if they're flying amarr. Dovetailing into the skills consideration is that mega pulse isn't great until you have the option for scorch.

As far as the bhaalgorn itself, it has generous fitting room but the bonuses don't lend themselves well to missions. Just about every other option either out ranges it (which I consider a damage bonus for lasers), or it simply does more raw DPS.

If you have a compelling argument about why you think amarr boats are great in mission pve I'd be glad to hear it, I have an open mind and may well give it a try.
Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2015-09-29 23:50:52 UTC
Apoc/Napoc one of the most popular mission runners of all times. Harbi one of my fav. still. Little guy Punisher being loved by masses.
Bhaal in missions it's more enthusiastic approach, but if you have an opportunity, why not?

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Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#30 - 2015-09-30 00:12:53 UTC
Mikkir wrote:
Ralph King-Griffin wrote:
Mikkir wrote:

As a group amarr ships are pretty terrible at running mission, and the bhaalgorn is only average among them.

Yeah you're going to have to explain yourself on this one.



That's fair.

Amarr ships have good paper DPS, but it gets a reality check if they're not facing EM weak enemies. The nightmare and the paladin can power through this with raw DPS (probably the navy geddon as well), but I find the other ships just were less impressive.

Amarr ships are very cap unstable. You don't have to have stability to run missions, especially if you're damage skills are capped, but I find pilots first stepping up to the battleship level struggle if they're flying amarr. Dovetailing into the skills consideration is that mega pulse isn't great until you have the option for scorch.

As far as the bhaalgorn itself, it has generous fitting room but the bonuses don't lend themselves well to missions. Just about every other option either out ranges it (which I consider a damage bonus for lasers), or it simply does more raw DPS.

If you have a compelling argument about why you think amarr boats are great in mission pve I'd be glad to hear it, I have an open mind and may well give it a try.

yeah thats an issue with having crap skill though and not realy that much to do with any of the hulls,
they project soooooooo damn well that the resist issues are only a problem if you haven't trained your core skills.
you need good core skills for the amarr boats in general
but once you have them they are fantastic mid range (in most senses)

btw i agree with you ,eeeew pve baglhorn (<----thats what its called after acouple o beers) But the rest of the amarr line are sound,
and yes even when shooting offf the resist hole, obviously there are better options at that point but they work fairly well once you have the tank and cap to stay on grid

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