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Ubuntu 11.10 from USB - can this be done for EVE?
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Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#1 - 2011-12-24 02:10:55 UTC
Greetings,

I had a little idea as I have my EVE Lappy in the shop again (overheating 8600M chips! - Curse them!!) and since I had offline time, I started to catch up on fun tech stuff - Ubuntu and all that...

I have a bootable USB, and I have put on it files for offline installing the latest EVE (since I had to bumm time on two other people's PCs to maint my EVE account...grrrr), and I have the WINE stuff... my thought is:

Can I setup a bootable USB, then install WINE off it, and then EVE, and then run it on a system (that meets the standards of course) and have a successful time of it?

it would seem to be possible, but I am very new to Linux (again, as I was last messing with it in 2000... Ugh and could use some brilliant insight into the new realms.

I read some things on Wine and EVE and all that so I am starting to get my bearings.... but you must know I am currently on a Dell Inspiron 8000 w/512MB RAM and a 40GB HD... lol... my back up rig... so I can't really test anything here, my main is going to be gone for about 2 weeks I guess and so I am trying to see about this little USB project as a way to quick install/use on a few friends other more modern rigs that will run it fine GPU and all that wise, I just want to see if I can do this and then carry the USB around with me...

Ok thanks for the help and insight, hope I can do this and get some help on how to setup the USB and all, atm I have it so it runs Ubuntu from it and a file section on the drive for EVE and Wine in Dirs and the ppa line for install in a text (instructions).
Sleekman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2011-12-25 04:29:20 UTC
Yes it's possible with a 16gb stick or larger.

I've done it with a bootable ubuntu (that is not read only)
Starts a bit slower, but works just fine.

The first bit is the hard one, after you have that though, just install eve on linux as normal (with wine)
Agaetis Byrjun Endalaust
#3 - 2011-12-25 08:44:29 UTC
how can you install it using wine if the installer requires 18Gb free before starting? I thought you just copied ..../CCP/EVE from a previous installation since finally it's about 11Gb "only", so it can fit in a 16Gb usb

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Sleekman
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2011-12-25 20:39:18 UTC
I haven't installed recently using this method so I didn't know the 18gb install requirement. Copying should work just fine.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#5 - 2011-12-29 23:31:08 UTC
Thanks for the reply(s), I have a 8GB with 11.10 USB Start and the Install on it, and then newest WINE, and also the full offlined TQ setup and files on it, no problem with fitting that on an 8GB.

My main EVE Lappy is in the shop still so waiting on that to come back, then going to try to install it and work it on that as a full on 11.10 installed OS and EVE, need to wipe/reinstall the OS anyway, it has been over 24 months on that HD and I am sure Vista needs a brain-wipe... as is usual with MS products, 6 months and it needs to be reinstalled due to crap in the OS.

Hope that it works well on my Machine, if so I am ditching MS everything and going to go 100% open source - tried this a few years ago but things where not there yet, hopefully this time around is a GO!... will see.

Any input on 11.10 with EVE I should know about? Nvidia and NIC drivers give any issue? I have a 8600M GT in the machine and a Built in G card, both I am sure have Linux drivers now - er... hopefully?
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2011-12-30 07:24:15 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
Thanks for the reply(s), I have a 8GB with 11.10 USB Start and the Install on it, and then newest WINE, and also the full offlined TQ setup and files on it, no problem with fitting that on an 8GB.

My main EVE Lappy is in the shop still so waiting on that to come back, then going to try to install it and work it on that as a full on 11.10 installed OS and EVE, need to wipe/reinstall the OS anyway, it has been over 24 months on that HD and I am sure Vista needs a brain-wipe... as is usual with MS products, 6 months and it needs to be reinstalled due to crap in the OS.

Hope that it works well on my Machine, if so I am ditching MS everything and going to go 100% open source - tried this a few years ago but things where not there yet, hopefully this time around is a GO!... will see.

Any input on 11.10 with EVE I should know about? Nvidia and NIC drivers give any issue? I have a 8600M GT in the machine and a Built in G card, both I am sure have Linux drivers now - er... hopefully?

The 8600M GT shouldn't give you any trouble when using the nVidia 'blob' driver. Nouveau's 3D support isn't mature enough yet to be relied upon, though.

As to the WLAN card, it depends very heavily on the actual chipset used.
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#7 - 2011-12-30 23:01:47 UTC
This is the specs on my system (when I get it back with the 5th GPU since I got it 4 years ago - 8600Ms over heat by default I found out last year - that whole Nvidia lawsuit thing)...

Running Vista on it - 32 bit, sick of that thing, and have played with Ubuntu on my "typewriter" Dell 8000...hehe, like it alot.

2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor T7500 (Santa Rosa platform)
Windows Vista Home Premium...Booooooo!!!!
Intel 965 PM Express chipset
2GB SDRAM DDR2 667MHz (2 X 1GB) with up to 4GB supported (3GB as reviewed)
17.1 WUXGA (1920x1200) glossy display
nVidia GeForce 8600M GT w/256MB VRAM support
160GB (5400rpm) S-ATA HDD
8x Super-Multi DVDRW dual layer LightScribe optical drive
Card Reader (MMC, SD, MS, MS-Pro)
One 8-cell Li-Ion battery
Weight: 9.6 lbs
Dimensions: 16" x 12" x 0.18"
10/100/1000 Base T, integrated 802.11a/b/g/n, and built-in Bluetooth V2.0+EDR (optional)
1.3 megapixel web camera
Optical Gaming Mouse
Gaming Backpack

Linky for more info on the whole rig...

It should run the OS, and I am thinking EVE with WINE, but I need to get the other drivers - I got the Nvidia Linux 290. off the site, and I guess I need to find the other sound, and all that...

Also anyone know if there is a built in CD-RW program in Ubuntu, I haven't found it, or if not is there a linux one that would work with it that is reliable, I need to put it in both the Asus and the Dell as they are offlined atm.

Thanks
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2011-12-31 16:30:04 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
This is the specs on my system (when I get it back with the 5th GPU since I got it 4 years ago - 8600Ms over heat by default I found out last year - that whole Nvidia lawsuit thing)...

Running Vista on it - 32 bit, sick of that thing, and have played with Ubuntu on my "typewriter" Dell 8000...hehe, like it alot.

2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo processor T7500 (Santa Rosa platform)
Windows Vista Home Premium...Booooooo!!!!
Intel 965 PM Express chipset
2GB SDRAM DDR2 667MHz (2 X 1GB) with up to 4GB supported (3GB as reviewed)
17.1 WUXGA (1920x1200) glossy display
nVidia GeForce 8600M GT w/256MB VRAM support
160GB (5400rpm) S-ATA HDD
8x Super-Multi DVDRW dual layer LightScribe optical drive
Card Reader (MMC, SD, MS, MS-Pro)
One 8-cell Li-Ion battery
Weight: 9.6 lbs
Dimensions: 16" x 12" x 0.18"
10/100/1000 Base T, integrated 802.11a/b/g/n, and built-in Bluetooth V2.0+EDR (optional)
1.3 megapixel web camera
Optical Gaming Mouse
Gaming Backpack

Linky for more info on the whole rig...

It should run the OS, and I am thinking EVE with WINE, but I need to get the other drivers - I got the Nvidia Linux 290. off the site, and I guess I need to find the other sound, and all that...

Also anyone know if there is a built in CD-RW program in Ubuntu, I haven't found it, or if not is there a linux one that would work with it that is reliable, I need to put it in both the Asus and the Dell as they are offlined atm.

Thanks

I would need the identity of the wireless chipset in the laptop (check in Device Manager, if all else fails, just post the blinkin' thing's PCI ID here).
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#9 - 2011-12-31 22:05:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Aurelius Valentius
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 processor, Mobile Intel PM965 Express chipset and Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN adapter

Have info on this set? going to start to look on google, system is still in cali after two weeks of waiting on parts to repair it, sigh.... but putting my downloads and data together to do a clean beta/test install when it comes back. Any help with this would be great, will be my first attempt to run Linux on this system and EVE with Wine.
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-01-01 23:39:23 UTC
Aurelius Valentius wrote:
2.2GHz Intel Core 2 Duo T7500 processor, Mobile Intel PM965 Express chipset and Intel Wireless WiFi Link 4965AGN adapter

Have info on this set? going to start to look on google, system is still in cali after two weeks of waiting on parts to repair it, sigh.... but putting my downloads and data together to do a clean beta/test install when it comes back. Any help with this would be great, will be my first attempt to run Linux on this system and EVE with Wine.

You, my friend, are a lucky man. I have this exact card in my laptop and it is a top-notch performer with Linux using the in-kernel iwlwifi/iwlagn drivers, no funny tinkering required. \o/
Aurelius Valentius
Valentius Corporation
Valentius Corporation Alliance
#11 - 2012-01-05 02:23:03 UTC
Awesome-Sauce!... hehe.

I am trying to get Lubuntu on my dell, it doesn't boot from USB though, an old Dell 8000 - but it should run it fine once I get it going (Lubuntu, not EVE - that rig is STILL in Cali...grrrr).

I tried to use the CD-RW on this but I have to change out the XP HD for the older 2000 Pro HD just to run the CD-RW, and then I come up with 571MB on the disks not the full on 700MBs - grrrrrr....

So I am kind of stuck atm with that project, since the Lubuntu .iso is 694MB (or abouts) I need to get it totally on the CD, I tried Wubi with the HD and it will not work outside of "Leave the CD and reboot" - it will not work installing it in Window even due to a NTFS error I get...grrrr...

I am pretty sure if I can get a CD burned with the full on wubi/.iso on it for Lubuntu then I can get this old backup Dell to sing some nice music, 1.0GHz chip, 512MB RAM and a 32MB Nvidia GeforceGo 2, 40MB HD... it works pretty well with XP, but I would like to see it do better and Lubuntu would do it I bet.

Any idea on how to do a install from a non-USB bootable system with a CD-RW that only produces 571MB CDs? Ugh