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[news] Wirykomi Wyvern-class supercarrier stolen by Guristas

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Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#1 - 2015-09-29 15:15:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Neph
The Scope reports that Dread Guristas have hijacked a Wirykomi Wyvern while it was moored for refitting.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2015-09-29 15:45:34 UTC
Neph wrote:
The Scope reports that Dread Guristas have hijacked a Wirykomi Wyvern while it was moored for refitting. Now the Rabbit has his hands on a supercarrier?

I fear what Caldari security may be facing soon, if my suspicions come true.


Serpentis stole a Titan from the Federation couple years back.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Aria Jenneth
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#3 - 2015-09-29 16:06:01 UTC
It's a nice catch, but I don't think the CN is about to run out.

It's undoubtedly embarrassing, though. I feel sorry for whoever was in charge of security. It's the sort of thing that can bring a retirement package in a teacup, if you're lucky.

Better for the family that way. Less reflected light. Or, you know. The opposite.
Ypsilas Suonen
Doomheim
#4 - 2015-09-29 16:43:19 UTC
An interesting array of possibilities. Causal connectives raise troubling cases. Suspect collusion, else an improbable institutional failure.
Arrendis
TK Corp
#5 - 2015-09-29 16:46:33 UTC
Given the Rabbit's history, fighting one supercarrier is not, I think, what people are concerned about.

I, for one, look forward to the Quetzalcoatlus-class supercarrier, and perhaps even the Komodo-class carrier. Hit like a Nyx/Thanatos, tank like a Wyvern/Chimera.
Neph
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#6 - 2015-09-29 16:56:06 UTC
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Neph wrote:
The Scope reports that Dread Guristas have hijacked a Wirykomi Wyvern while it was moored for refitting. Now the Rabbit has his hands on a supercarrier?

I fear what Caldari security may be facing soon, if my suspicions come true.


Serpentis stole a Titan from the Federation couple years back.


Wasn't it an Iapetan? Anyways, Serpentis isn't the Guristas. Looking at what the Rattlesnake is to the Scorpion, I imagine that whatever he creates with this will be a hell of a ship.

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Elmund Egivand
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-09-29 17:06:36 UTC
Neph wrote:
Elmund Egivand wrote:
Neph wrote:
The Scope reports that Dread Guristas have hijacked a Wirykomi Wyvern while it was moored for refitting. Now the Rabbit has his hands on a supercarrier?

I fear what Caldari security may be facing soon, if my suspicions come true.


Serpentis stole a Titan from the Federation couple years back.


Wasn't it an Iapetan? Anyways, Serpentis isn't the Guristas. Looking at what the Rattlesnake is to the Scorpion, I imagine that whatever he creates with this will be a hell of a ship.


Just pointing out that this isn't the first time one of the big 4 got their shite stolen by pirates.

A Minmatar warship is like a rusting Beetle with 500 horsepower Cardillac engines in the rear, armour plating bolted to chassis and a M2 Browning stuck on top.

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2015-09-29 17:28:49 UTC
Neph wrote:
The Scope reports that Dread Guristas have hijacked a Wirykomi Wyvern while it was moored for refitting. Now the Rabbit has his hands on a supercarrier?

You act as if the Guristas are small-time thugs. Given how readily-available the schematics for Wyverns are and how much manpower the Guristas have, it's not like they couldn't build one themselves if they needed one. I'm sure they already have a dozen at least.

No, they didn't just want a supercarrier, and they didn't just want a Wyvern. They wanted the Antero, specifically. Either the ship had something on it that someone wanted, or someone wanted to embarass or weaken Wiyrkomi. It might have been the Guristas, or they might simply be working for someone else. It's not like Wiyrkomi has a shortage of enemies - it's a Caldari megacorporation.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-09-29 17:46:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
The part that I find interesting, a shuttle that can only hold a small crew, frigates that can only hold a small number. To get even a minimal operational crew of a supercarrier? I am suspecting there was some considerable inside assistance. Just the time it would take to travel to the control centers of the ship is outweighed by the time it took to pull the heist off.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-09-29 18:08:55 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
You act as if the Guristas are small-time thugs. Given how readily-available the schematics for Wyverns are and how much manpower the Guristas have, it's not like they couldn't build one themselves if they needed one. I'm sure they already have a dozen at least.

No, they didn't just want a supercarrier, and they didn't just want a Wyvern. They wanted the Antero, specifically. Either the ship had something on it that someone wanted, or someone wanted to embarass or weaken Wiyrkomi. It might have been the Guristas, or they might simply be working for someone else. It's not like Wiyrkomi has a shortage of enemies - it's a Caldari megacorporation.



Give that man a cigar.

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Rook Moray
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-09-29 18:15:02 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
The part that I find interesting, a shuttle that can only hold a small crew, frigates that can only hold a small number. To get even a minimal operational crew of a supercarrier? I am suspecting there was some considerable inside assistance. Just the time it would take to travel to the control centers of the ship is outweighed by the time it took to pull the heist off.


Take another look at the news report. You can see clearly how it all went down.

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Pirate

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Leopold Caine
Stillwater Corporation
#12 - 2015-09-29 18:36:25 UTC
Enqueue mandatory golfclap I suppose.

Kudos, Pirates.

I suppose we'll have to grab a Hel now. Karmic justice and all.
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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2015-09-29 18:42:16 UTC
The capacity of a Taipan is identical to the Ibis it's based off of, and so can transport, depending on baggage and hold lay-out, anywhere from forty to a 125 personnel. Sixty's my best guess, though. Four Taipans could provide perhaps a quarter of the minimum crew personnel for combat operations, but with the right skill set it would certainly be enough to get the ship away to a rendezvous.

Still, an unfortunate black eye for our corporate brethren.

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Ginia Itonula
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-09-29 18:44:02 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
[quote=Neph]No, they didn't just want a supercarrier, and they didn't just want a Wyvern. They wanted the Antero, specifically. Either the ship had something on it that someone wanted, or someone wanted to embarass or weaken Wiyrkomi. It might have been the Guristas, or they might simply be working for someone else. It's not like Wiyrkomi has a shortage of enemies - it's a Caldari megacorporation.


To be fair, a free ship is a free ship. Frigate or Supercarrier, if you can get a ship for free, why not go for it?
Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#15 - 2015-09-29 19:03:55 UTC
I really doubt that supercapitals are the greatest assets in the hands of any pirate outlet, no matter its size... They are tactical magnets and it is not like they are suddenly about to go head on against the Caldari Navy or the Gallente Navy...
Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2015-09-29 19:07:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Vollhov
Del.
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Vollhov
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2015-09-29 19:10:13 UTC
Del.

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Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-09-29 19:37:54 UTC
Rook Moray wrote:
Take another look at the news report. You can see clearly how it all went down.

#OpSuccess!
Pirate


Yes. A shuttle that can hold a couple people.

For civilian class vessels easily found. I did find humor in them being designated I-815

Then just "minutes" to take several km of ship? Um. Nope. Even if fully fit for transport, four IBIS frigates could bring enough troops for maybe one person per square km of deck space.

Good luck securing it fast with that. Even with bare essentials crew. No, I fully expect that most of those essential crew members were gurista already on board. No doubt people related to or trained on other capital ship operations. Issues between populous and the navy over the years and a cetain high profile failure with much life lost is the perfect seed for insurgency indoctrination.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Ibrahim Tash-Murkon
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#19 - 2015-09-29 19:56:51 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Rook Moray wrote:
Take another look at the news report. You can see clearly how it all went down.

#OpSuccess!
Pirate


Yes. A shuttle that can hold a couple people.

For civilian class vessels easily found. I did find humor in them being designated I-815

Then just "minutes" to take several km of ship? Um. Nope. Even if fully fit for transport, four IBIS frigates could bring enough troops for maybe one person per square km of deck space.

Good luck securing it fast with that. Even with bare essentials crew. No, I fully expect that most of those essential crew members were gurista already on board. No doubt people related to or trained on other capital ship operations. Issues between populous and the navy over the years and a cetain high profile failure with much life lost is the perfect seed for insurgency indoctrination.


I believe this analysis is incomplete. Quite simply a ship can be seized with a single individual. If access is gained to the bridge or the ship's control systems are compromised remotely then the entire vessel can easily be absconded with through a variety of procedures. Venting the atmosphere, using on-board anti-personnel measures, or simple sealing all passages and executing a jump to friendly space where the occupants are either eliminated or given the opportunity to surrender.

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Arrendis
TK Corp
#20 - 2015-09-29 20:42:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Arrendis
Markus Reese wrote:
Yes. A shuttle that can hold a couple people.

For civilian class vessels easily found. I did find humor in them being designated I-815

Then just "minutes" to take several km of ship? Um. Nope. Even if fully fit for transport, four IBIS frigates could bring enough troops for maybe one person per square km of deck space.

Good luck securing it fast with that. Even with bare essentials crew. No, I fully expect that most of those essential crew members were gurista already on board. No doubt people related to or trained on other capital ship operations. Issues between populous and the navy over the years and a cetain high profile failure with much life lost is the perfect seed for insurgency indoctrination.


Yes, congratulations on ignoring the particulars of the situation.

The ship was undergoing refit - that means there was a skeleton crew aboard, mostly to maintain critical functions like life support, and otherwise, it's the refit crew - engineering personnel and construction crews. In addition, the ship was apparently 'changing crews' - which is probably a reference to the ship's compliment other than the command cadre having been largely reassigned at the beginning of the refit, and a new crew coming in, possibly a training crew, that wouldn't know one another well.

Under those circumstances, the outgoing crew wouldn't have questioned 'maintenance workers' they were unfamiliar with. Both because the refit would mean a large number of maintenance crew would be coming aboard, but also because the arrival of the new crew would've meant the advance elements of that crew (senior NCOs and maintenance staff to ensure the ship is kept operational during crew exchange) would've arrived ahead of the planned handoff timetable.

For a supercarrier with most of the combat systems shut down and navigational systems in automated mode for refit, you're probably looking at maybe two hundred people to run the environmental systems, docking bay, and emergency systems. Navigation would be slow to respond, shields would be online but no additional hardeners running, launch bays empty with Fighters and Fighter-Bombers already transferring to an active-duty ship...

Once you lock down the hangar and decompress it, you only need to keep the remaining crew aboard from linking up with one another while you re-pressurize the hangar, get your Ibises full of assault troops into the maintenance bay, and get your own emergency crew bringing the jump engines online while your assault troops go compartment-by-compartment, re-sealing everything behind them, to clear out what's left of the crew.

Most of the difficulty here is in the timing: you have to know when to hit, and you have to have access to the hangar in the first place. If you were going to try to gate it out, you'd never make it, but the jump drive gives you that escape option - if you can spin it up before the corpsec and Caldari Navy responders can breach your armor.

Honestly, this is a beautiful example of a nullsec pirate group knowing the primary weakness of one of the Empires' response techniques: there is nothing short of a Heavy Interdictor in State space that can hold a supercarrier in place... and how many Heavy Interdictors normally operate in theaters where their primary function... doesn't function?

The critical thing here, is the timing, as I've said - and it's probably critical for more than just 'when can we pull it off?'

Why hit Antero at all? Sure, this could be just an attempt to cost Wiyrkomi face, and I can make flippant comments about reverse-engineered Guristas carriers and supers, but there's easier ways to achieve the former, and the latter... if they wanted to, they could buy examples of both hulls in Venal. Heck, we might even sell them direct if Rabbit was willing to kick back with a set of plans for the resulting ships. What, exactly, was the refit she was undergoing? The timing of it is... interesting. The crew exchange would have been one of the last things going on with the refit - there's simply no need to bring the new crew aboard while they're just going to be in the way of the refitting team. That's actually the big reason the previous crew would get reassigned - it keeps them out of the way, and doesn't waste experienced manpower. So the refit was almost certainly in the 'clean up and swap the decks' stage. So what was it?

Supercarrier combat systems haven't seen any significant upgrades in some time from any of the Empires. Was this a routine maintenance refit? Is Wiyrkomi about to unveil something significant? Was Antero about to become the testbed for something new, similar to the still-unknown upgrades on the still-unveiled TES Auctoritas? If this was about experimental new equipment, was this a competitor's action, or a false-flag by Wiyrkomi to cover up technology that's just not ready for testing yet?

There's a lot of questions about 'why'. One of my only questions about 'how' is: 'Why wasn't she moored inside a tower?'

Mooring the ship outside a station just begs for this kind of thing to happen - you're leaving it completely open, and honestly, Wiyrkomi's lucky nobody happened to spot it there and 'happen' by with a new and unannounced 'Burn Wiyrkomi' event to throw endless hordes of tornadoes and catalysts at it, or something.

Not, you know, that I know anyone who might try that. Just sayin'. You know.

But it should've been behind the added protection of a tower's shields - if nothing else, it's one more password the thieves would've needed to get.
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