Warfare & Tactics

So we can all agree that OGBs are not the be-all end-all of why people are leaving the game?

Ok so, bar stating the obvious, what are you trying to say? People read about capital fights in EVE and turn up full of ambitions to have their own JF, having glanced at the somewhat shorter training time?

They don't correlate. Saying that players join EVE because they want to fly big ships and stating JFs are a short train, I'm sorry, I don't follow.

I admit, Crosi is right, I was selective with the facts. I shouldn't have used the term "newer" players either.

There was a pic floating around on imgur, showing the amount of accounts most players have. A lot of players have just 1 account and only slightly less have 2. I won't pretend to know how many of those are links. I feel like a number won't really describe the issue - links have proliferated enough that we see having them as a standard. A lot of people are behind the standard.

What, are we dumb? Bad at the game? How many people do you think would enjoy the idea that chasing alt count is becoming the epitome of this game? The commonly proposed counter, being probes, is still either delegated to alt duty, or a game of whack-a-mole for the person who actually brings a 200+ CPU module with them.


Yes.
But it's ignorant to say that it's not a factor.

OGB is a huge reason for my lack of interest in pvp. It is a big reason why I stopped spending nights doing solo pvp and chose to spend more time watching tv with my wife at night.

Of course lack of content is another reason but again the two are tied together. If a game fails to fix a horrible mechanic where you pay for an extra account to give your main god-mode there will be fewer players. That leads to less content. So you can't seperate out the bad mechanics from the lack of content.

I am not sure that I am blaming any of my shortcomings on ogb. I do say it causes me to not to pvp in eve as often. Do you think my decision to not log in to eve online is a shortcoming? I guess you do since you call me a "quitter."

You know EVE is not the begin all and end all. You are not doing things with your life that you could be doing if you were not logging into eve with your multiple alt accounts. I am not saying eve is a bad way to spend your time. I am just saying if you ever get tired of lugging your alt accounts with you to every system, and decide to step back from eve for a while, I won't say you are a quitter.


As far as an anecdote. Look at the threads and see if the people who complained about this bad mechanic are still active. I have noticed many of the solo pvpers are inactive.

It is more complicated than that. If ccp did fix this problem I almost certainly would give solo pvp another try. There are other things that CCP could do that would make me give solo pvp a try again as well.





I didn't actually say anything you attribute to me. So your opinion of my post has limitted value.

By that standard my PvP account is also P2W. I paid for it, and i win. If you are going to define P2W so loosely, any game that a good player pays for is P2W, and the same game bought by a bad player is not P2W.

It makes no sense.

Sounds bitter.

Also, massive exaggeration.

I personally don't think OGB is the reason people stop playing EVE. OGB has really just become the massive excuse most people use for when they get there butts handed to them. You don't see people crying to the forums when they get archons cyno-dropped on them or when the other group has logistics.


Does OGB need to be readjusted, yeah. But is the cause for people quitting? I really really doubt it. Not enmass like it's being suggested.

Edit: Also EVE is not a Solo game. So complaining that you can't play Solo with relative easy. Is ********. It's an MMO.

If you want to drop Archons in Black Rise you better have Snuff and SC cap pilots watchlisted, and eyes on their stations.

It's hard to single out any one thing as a cause for lost subs, but the attitude towards links amongst people who enjoy a combat style diverse from the standard blob warfare - is unfavorable to the extreme.

The primary issue is that the risk/reward on OGB is broken. They are far too safe an asset considering the massive advantage they provide, and if you don't think an all in one package of buffs to speed/point range/lock range/EHP/sig radius is a game changer, you are in denial. Links provide greater advantage than implants and drugs combined, at lower risk with no drawbacks.

The big capital fleet fights are what most non-EVE players will see. They have made the news and are what most people talk about. I haven't met a new player yet who didn't have a carrier, dread, or titan on their list of ships to fly. Problem occurs when they find out it will take a long time to be able to fly one. Then they find out that capital ships are not used as much as they had been. Namely due to the changes in force projection/jump fatigue. Hence the person becomes disenchanted and quits.

Since the SOV changes and the capital ship movement changes, it has become much harder to keep you null empire. Especially when you can't get those much needed logistics out to null, or you substantial loots to market. They also have to be on the watch for gankers in hisec. Vets get bored with the actual work, move to hisec/lowsec, and unsub the capital pilot.

I believe people quitting over others use of OGBs is a very small factor.

Why do people quit? Because they are bored, or the game mechanics have changed too much to suit them.

I am not sure who is saying that but CCP Fozzie has made it clear they need to be on grid.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2512888#post2512888

If anyone from ccp has backed off that stance I would be interested in knowing.