EVE General Discussion

That pretty much sums up OH. Theres a lot of broken in this game. OH is not one of them.

I also tend to agree its a bit too good.
Could perhaps use just a very tiny balance pass.

But I dont think that would substantially change anything except as a small tuning.
And against that, its important it remains as a universally available equalizer as compared to other boosts (various consumables, bling modules etc, both in addition to them, and in their absence).

Very low priority. Working within acceptable parameters.

Anything with stats can be given a balance pass.

The balance pass of thermodynamics is measured against its own current magnitudes, as well as against other commodity based boost such as drugs.

The rest is already covered and explained in my previous posts.

The skill of the pilot using it remains what it is, as yourself stated, as an external element.

That's a fair point and I'll concede on it. Where we disagree is that overheating is "a little" OP, assuming you mean compared to boosters and links ? You pointed out yourself that using thermodynamics requires player skill, neither boosters or links require any skill whatsoever, only isk. There is also the issue of risk, with overheating, complete burnout of modules is a risk, with boosters, some small % side effect is a risk but mods will still function, with links there is essentially no risk at all.

There is simply no case to be made that overheating is OP in comparison to boosters and links, if anything I'd say it was underpowered, but TBH I'm not making a case for it to be buffed, just sorting links would be enough, but that's another discussion.

People overheat as soon as the fight starts because:

1. You often blow up (or win) in a few seconds.

2. You take one look at their ship and KNOW whether you can win or not. So you overheat to GTFO or overheat to kill them before their friends arrive.

3. Eve combat doesn't have tricks up the sleeves. You don't dual-tank (armor and shields), you try to have all your weapons be the same, you start with the maximum damage ammo, etc. If you don't shoot with everything, you're doing it wrong (it's the same in RL too).

How can I put it... in chess, each piece moves a certain way and will "take" the opponent's piece if it's in the destination square. The knights, rooks, bishops don't have tricks up their sleeves. Chess is not a game where your pieces can pull out fireballs or ice lances or lightning bolts, at your whim, the game is about applying the pieces that you have in order to win.

Same thing with EVE, you have to bring enough scouts, tacklers, DPS, logis, and jammers to win, not just the individual fight but the war as a whole. And each one of those ships will shoot with everything that it has on the primary target. No sleeves.

People overheat, use the booster drugs, use the faction ammo, warp in at sniper range, etc. immediately because the fight will be over very fast, and they lose if they don't.

CCP balances ships with all the perks activated. Ships are balanced with max skills, overheating, implant bonuses, and fleet bonuses taken into account already. If you don't believe this, start a newbie character and tell me if you can fill up all the slots that a frigate has, with weapons, propulsion, tank - whatever you consider a "decent" fit. You have to train some skills to 2, 3, maybe even 4 before you can use a frigate the way it was intended. You may have to put some rigs in to fit all the weapons. And so on; ships are balanced with everything maxed out taken into consideration.

Assuming the following formula is correct:

Required Nanite Paste = CEIL((Module Base Price / 13,000 ) * ( Damaged HP / Total HP ) * (1 - 0.05 * Nanite Operation skill level))

Capital Shield Booster I
HP: 40
Base Price: 51002322

Required Nanite Paste = CEIL((51002322 / 13000 ) * ( 40 / 40 ) * (1 - 0.05 * 5)) = 2943

With Nanite Paste at 18099.93 ISK in Jita, that's 53,268,093.99 ISK of paste to repair.

I was in w-space, and couldn't dock at a station to repair.

The time I had to rep an Orca at 2% structure with a small structure repper was far more painful.

Shield hardeners tend to last 2.5 minutes.

MWD and turrets don't last long at all.

Not all modules react the same. Also heat damage = structure damage, and T1 / T2 / faction differ in the damage they can take and the heat they generate.

feel it same way. overheating shouldnt be something everyone does as per default.
There should be maybe a good chance of instant module burnout any time you overheat a module.