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Revisiting the NPE

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Terraj Oknatis
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#1 - 2015-09-26 13:46:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Terraj Oknatis
I was watching Jonny Pew today https://www.youtube.com/ and I had an epiphany about how the MPE should go,

This is how I imagine a good NPE experience should go....

When you first log in you get a message saying there is a pirate in the system that you have to destroy. The pirate warps to you (it is a newbie rat that dies in a few hits). Aura comes up and tells you step by step how to shoot the rat. You shoot the rat and it gives you an achievement for your first kill. You also get a bounty that is sizable (Like a million isk). (Aura informs you that you made a million isk) Now you finished the site.

You get an escalation. Aura comes and tells you that there is another nasty pirate one jump over and automatically sets your desto to that system. Aura tells you how to warp and jump the gate by highlighting your overview of exactly what buttons to press. You warp to the system and then aura tells you how to warp into the next site. In that next system you kill that pirate and complete the site. You also get some bounties. Aura comes on and tells you there is another nasty pirate but you need a new ship because the pirate is more powerful. Aura tells you to warp to a station. Again, the station is highlighted on your overview and aura walks you through exactly what a station is and how you use it.

Upon landing in the station aura tells you that she gave you a new ship (bantam or faction equivalent) Aura tells you that you need to fit the ship. Aura shows you how to fit the ship. The modules are in the hull of the ship. (still with civi guns and moduels) With your ship fit, you get an achievement and aura tells you to undock. You then warp to the site and kill a few rats and a structure. Inside the structure there are a few key skill books and some better guns for your ship. Aura tells you to loot the structure. you loot the structure. Aura tells you to go back to station. You inject skill books. and start training. Aura explains step by step how to do all these things.

The Next thing that happens is you get a scanning ship in your inventory. Aura tells you you have to scan down the next site. the modules to the scanning ship are in its cargo. Aura tells you exactly what each module does and how to fit it. Possibly a small tutorial video plays on scanning. You find the site, you hack the cans, you get NPC loot that can be traded at the station for isk by npc buy order. (this can only happen once per character) Now aura gives you your first blue print. It is a one run bpc for your first destroyer. Aura tells you that to get this destroyer you will have to find the minerals. She gives you a venture with a civilian miner. She tells you that you can either mine the minerals by refining ORE, continue hunting pirates to get bounties and pay for the minerals on market, or you can find a real exploration site, and hack the cans for loot to sell, and buy the minerals. (Hacking containers in 1.0 systems can be accomplished by day one pilots. Aura tells you this as well.) There are three big buttons before you. One says MINE, one says SHOOT PIRATES, and the last one says EXPLORE. You choose one and aura goes into the appropriate tutorial.

You create or buy your first destroyer, you get an achievement, and aura tells you that you have got at least the basics down and that although she will be available for reference, she will no longer bug you and that you must now find your own path. The help window automatically opens. Aura tells you that you can ask the community questions at any time. Aura refers you to the mission agents if you think you still need training. The last thing aura tells you to do is join a corporation. At that point your set.

Aura can be turned off through an obscure options menu item. Therefore alt pilots don't have to be bothered.

This is direct. This is fast paced. This is rewarding. This does not make you wait. You can jump in and out of this at any time and be in the exact instance you left in. It gets you doing what you signed in to do. Use your internet spaceships to shoot other internet spaceships, go exploring, and yes even mine!
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#2 - 2015-09-26 13:53:47 UTC
We've pleaded, we've yelled, shaken our fists, nodded our heads in disbelief and some of us decided to make our own YT starter guide instead. Don't bother, nobody's listening because they're convinced they're doing it right.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2015-09-27 22:53:50 UTC
I'd say anything is better than back when I first started. It was absolute hell.

Though it taught me a valuable lesson: "New Eden is a *****, and she'll never stop kicking you in the nuts."
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2015-09-27 22:58:35 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I'd say anything is better than back when I first started. It was absolute hell.

Though it taught me a valuable lesson: "New Eden is a *****, and she'll never stop kicking you in the nuts."


And laughed at you if you were podkilled?

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2015-09-28 00:51:25 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
We've pleaded, we've yelled, shaken our fists, nodded our heads in disbelief and some of us decided to make our own YT starter guide instead. Don't bother, nobody's listening because they're convinced they're doing it right.

Agree 100%



DMC
Memphis Baas
#6 - 2015-09-28 01:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Memphis Baas
How about:

As soon as you log in, a Concord ship warps to you and tells you to dock in station because space is too dangerous. Then Aura comes on and tells you how to dock etc. Then Aura explains the market interface, gives you some items, and asks you to set up some sell orders at whatever price you want. These orders are bought out by NPCs and whatever price you put is what you make in the first 20 minutes of the game. Then Aura explains what the possible scams are and what trading skills you'll need to be successful at them, and wishes you good luck.

This is direct. This is fast paced. This is rewarding. This does not make you wait.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2015-09-28 02:58:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
I need to retry it, but honestly, I thought the new one is pretty good. A short three minute vid before start during char creation would do lots.

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Chocolaty Sprogmaster
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#8 - 2015-09-28 04:00:53 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I'd say anything is better than back when I first started. It was absolute hell.

Though it taught me a valuable lesson: "New Eden is a *****, and she'll never stop kicking you in the nuts."


Funny part is the current NPE is the worst it's been in a long time. Most of the stuff it tries to get you to do, you either can't as a noob cuz you have no ISK, or it doesn't explain stuff very well if you've never played the game before.
Markus Reese
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#9 - 2015-09-28 04:03:16 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Reese
Chocolaty Sprogmaster wrote:

Funny part is the current NPE is the worst it's been in a long time. Most of the stuff it tries to get you to do, you either can't as a noob cuz you have no ISK, or it doesn't explain stuff very well if you've never played the game before.


You mean it is better than my NPE where I started in space with an npc orbiting me and shooting me, then if I figured out how to shoot it, more up and shot me? If I was lucky, I could figure out how to turn on my civie shield repper and how to move at the same time so I didn't get popped.

End of all NPE.

I kinda think it is better........

To quote Lfod Shi

The ratting itself is PvE. Getting away with it is PvP.

Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#10 - 2015-09-28 04:42:20 UTC
Terraj Oknatis wrote:
I was watching Jonny Pew today https://www.youtube.com/ and I had an epiphany about how the MPE should go,
You didn't link that right. Which vid?
I haven;t done the new thing, but I saw it pop up. I did the old one, or the previous one specifically, and it was pretty good. But yes, I've only heard complaints about the npe, by vets and newbies alike. Heck, maybe even just going back to the old Aura system would be better, really liked the sound of her voice. Will they? eh...

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2015-09-28 05:40:42 UTC
Chocolaty Sprogmaster wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I'd say anything is better than back when I first started. It was absolute hell.

Though it taught me a valuable lesson: "New Eden is a *****, and she'll never stop kicking you in the nuts."


Funny part is the current NPE is the worst it's been in a long time. Most of the stuff it tries to get you to do, you either can't as a noob cuz you have no ISK, or it doesn't explain stuff very well if you've never played the game before.

They have said they have been focusing and working now the NPE for LUTERALLY MONTHS ans like a long time recently. Its humorous thwy cant improve it even in the slightest little bit. It is so bad, LITERALLY how cant they improve it after all this time of working onit?
Sequester Risalo
Significant Others
#12 - 2015-09-28 07:31:10 UTC
Same as some people LUTERALLY don't seem to improve their posting after all this time working on it.
Azda Ja
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2015-09-28 08:00:44 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
...after all this time working on it.

Quite the implication there.

Grrr.

Ima GoodGirl
Aria Shi's Wasted ISK
#14 - 2015-09-28 08:16:28 UTC
Sequester Risalo wrote:
Same as some people LUTERALLY don't seem to improve their posting after all this time working on it.

Did you needlessly capitalize that to provide extra emphasis to a word that doesn't exist, or for some other shiptoast worthy reason?
Webvan
All Kill No Skill
#15 - 2015-09-28 08:17:57 UTC
Carrie-Anne Moss wrote:
Chocolaty Sprogmaster wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I'd say anything is better than back when I first started. It was absolute hell.

Though it taught me a valuable lesson: "New Eden is a *****, and she'll never stop kicking you in the nuts."


Funny part is the current NPE is the worst it's been in a long time. Most of the stuff it tries to get you to do, you either can't as a noob cuz you have no ISK, or it doesn't explain stuff very well if you've never played the game before.

They have said they have been focusing and working now the NPE for LUTERALLY MONTHS ans like a long time recently. Its humorous thwy cant improve it even in the slightest little bit. It is so bad, LITERALLY how cant they improve it after all this time of working onit?
Well I guess they cant improve something that may not be a great idea in the first place. What other game does something like that? Is that like a wow thing? I got another npe popup tonight, messing around with the soe epic arc, nooo idea... but I succeeded at something hehe

When EVE was growing like wildfire, Aura had that sexy British voice, how could you not pay attention? "do this, do that" YES Ma'am! hah. Now it's all sort of sanitized. why....?

I'm in it for the money

Ctrl+Alt+Shift+F12

Zihao
Doomheim
#16 - 2015-09-28 08:40:53 UTC
I'm not much for long-winded tutorials myself. I rather liked the "here's your space ship, good luck," approach that I was greeted by upon logging in for the first time. I was scrutinizing every button and toggle switch on the screen for a while, but like winning a puzzle game I had a feeling of accomplishment when I finally got the hang of it.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-09-28 08:49:38 UTC
All things such as this should be tailored to me, not you. Cool

There just isn't anything that can be said!

Arla Sarain
#18 - 2015-09-28 10:03:05 UTC
Chocolaty Sprogmaster wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
I'd say anything is better than back when I first started. It was absolute hell.

Though it taught me a valuable lesson: "New Eden is a *****, and she'll never stop kicking you in the nuts."


Funny part is the current NPE is the worst it's been in a long time. Most of the stuff it tries to get you to do, you either can't as a noob cuz you have no ISK, or it doesn't explain stuff very well if you've never played the game before.

Point of it is that you connect the dots yourself; it demonstrates that this isn't a linear game with obvious rail-tracked objectives.
You need a probe scanner to scan. Figure out everything in between.
Ulon Naus
BSE Protection Agency.
#19 - 2015-09-28 11:21:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Ulon Naus
Terraj Oknatis wrote:
I was watching Jonny Pew today https://www.youtube.com/ and I had an epiphany about how the MPE should go,

This is how I imagine a good NPE experience should go....

When you first log in you get a message saying there is a pirate in the system that you have to destroy. The pirate warps to you (it is a newbie rat that dies in a few hits). Aura comes up and tells you step by step how to shoot the rat. You shoot the rat and it gives you an achievement for your first kill. You also get a bounty that is sizable (Like a million isk). (Aura informs you that you made a million isk) Now you finished the site.

You get an escalation. Aura comes and tells you that there is another nasty pirate one jump over and automatically sets your desto to that system. Aura tells you how to warp and jump the gate by highlighting your overview of exactly what buttons to press. You warp to the system and then aura tells you how to warp into the next site. In that next system you kill that pirate and complete the site. You also get some bounties. Aura comes on and tells you there is another nasty pirate but you need a new ship because the pirate is more powerful. Aura tells you to warp to a station. Again, the station is highlighted on your overview and aura walks you through exactly what a station is and how you use it.

Upon landing in the station aura tells you that she gave you a new ship (bantam or faction equivalent) Aura tells you that you need to fit the ship. Aura shows you how to fit the ship. The modules are in the hull of the ship. (still with civi guns and moduels) With your ship fit, you get an achievement and aura tells you to undock. You then warp to the site and kill a few rats and a structure. Inside the structure there are a few key skill books and some better guns for your ship. Aura tells you to loot the structure. you loot the structure. Aura tells you to go back to station. You inject skill books. and start training. Aura explains step by step how to do all these things.

The Next thing that happens is you get a scanning ship in your inventory. Aura tells you you have to scan down the next site. the modules to the scanning ship are in its cargo. Aura tells you exactly what each module does and how to fit it. Possibly a small tutorial video plays on scanning. You find the site, you hack the cans, you get NPC loot that can be traded at the station for isk by npc buy order. (this can only happen once per character) Now aura gives you your first blue print. It is a one run bpc for your first destroyer. Aura tells you that to get this destroyer you will have to find the minerals. She gives you a venture with a civilian miner. She tells you that you can either mine the minerals by refining ORE, continue hunting pirates to get bounties and pay for the minerals on market, or you can find a real exploration site, and hack the cans for loot to sell, and buy the minerals. (Hacking containers in 1.0 systems can be accomplished by day one pilots. Aura tells you this as well.) There are three big buttons before you. One says MINE, one says SHOOT PIRATES, and the last one says EXPLORE. You choose one and aura goes into the appropriate tutorial.

You create or buy your first destroyer, you get an achievement, and aura tells you that you have got at least the basics down and that although she will be available for reference, she will no longer bug you and that you must now find your own path. The help window automatically opens. Aura tells you that you can ask the community questions at any time. Aura refers you to the mission agents if you think you still need training. The last thing aura tells you to do is join a corporation. At that point your set.

Aura can be turned off through an obscure options menu item. Therefore alt pilots don't have to be bothered.

This is direct. This is fast paced. This is rewarding. This does not make you wait. You can jump in and out of this at any time and be in the exact instance you left in. It gets you doing what you signed in to do. Use your internet spaceships to shoot other internet spaceships, go exploring, and yes even mine!


Exactley somthing like this... you need to literally teach newbs everything.
Only reason i learned the game was because i had friends here. but not everyone has that.

Eve NPE as it is right now is like taking a 15 yo boy who has been raised in complete captivity without any knowledge of the outside world.
And dumping him in the middle of NY city at rush hour, expecting him to do fine.
Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#20 - 2015-09-28 11:36:50 UTC
Markus Reese wrote:
Chocolaty Sprogmaster wrote:

Funny part is the current NPE is the worst it's been in a long time. Most of the stuff it tries to get you to do, you either can't as a noob cuz you have no ISK, or it doesn't explain stuff very well if you've never played the game before.


You mean it is better than my NPE where I started in space with an npc orbiting me and shooting me, then if I figured out how to shoot it, more up and shot me? If I was lucky, I could figure out how to turn on my civie shield repper and how to move at the same time so I didn't get popped.

End of all NPE.

I kinda think it is better........


Just because it was even worse in the past doesn't mean where it is now is good. Making new players rely on friends and youtube videos to understand the game is kind of lazy on the developers part isn't it?

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