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[Thankyou] December - Players & Summit Reports

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oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#21 - 2012-01-04 22:32:35 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Look at all those things the CSM didn't do like fix Hybrids and nerf sCaps.




non-relevant ,that isn,t the topic of this thread ,is it?

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Race Drones
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2012-01-04 22:39:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Race Drones
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

For years the CSM has been a fruitless band of individuals that spoke much and achieved very little.

+1 to your post.

Ignorance is curable, Stupidity is not.

The "Planet of the Apes" is not science fiction, is a daily reality.

All is in "The Matrix".

See Beyond the Obvious.

Ladie Harlot
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2012-01-04 22:49:50 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
its logic to bring up non relevant issues to this post it really helps you

Yes because if it wasn't for his negative feelings about Goons (especially the two Goons on the CSM) he wouldn't have made this thread.


well he didn,t mention the goons in this thread .
and in my opinion ,he makes a good point
So maybe he has some hatred for the Goons,but that's not relevant in this post

Like I said it's relevant because the only reason he made this thread was to discount and belittle the efforts of the current CSM. This is not a difficult concept.

The artist formerly known as Ladie Scarlet.

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#24 - 2012-01-04 22:53:41 UTC
Ladie Harlot wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
Ladie Harlot wrote:
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
its logic to bring up non relevant issues to this post it really helps you

Yes because if it wasn't for his negative feelings about Goons (especially the two Goons on the CSM) he wouldn't have made this thread.


well he didn,t mention the goons in this thread .
and in my opinion ,he makes a good point
So maybe he has some hatred for the Goons,but that's not relevant in this post

Like I said it's relevant because the only reason he made this thread was to discount and belittle the efforts of the current CSM. This is not a difficult concept.



yes maybe the CSM,but don,t see hate against Goonswarm in his text

R.S.I2014

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#25 - 2012-01-04 23:04:42 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Look at all those things the CSM didn't do like fix Hybrids and nerf sCaps.


Are you suggesting that the CSM is responsible for those as well? You must be trolling silly CSM troll (or perhaps posting stoned)

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Kent Reeves
#26 - 2012-01-04 23:06:05 UTC
White Tree wrote:
Look at all those things the CSM didn't do like fix Hybrids and nerf sCaps.

I hadn't realized the CSM was now programming EVE themselves.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#27 - 2012-01-04 23:06:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Ladie Harlot wrote:

Like I said it's relevant because the only reason he made this thread was to discount and belittle the efforts of the current CSM's attempts to take credit for what the player base have done collectively. This is not a difficult concept.



Fixed that for you.

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J Kunjeh
#28 - 2012-01-04 23:16:19 UTC
As much as I make fun of the CSM (well, Mittens in particular), I do think they were rather useful this time around (if horrible communicators to the player base). So, though I agree the players' actions also had a large impact on what came about, I personally think you're off to be discounting CSM6.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#29 - 2012-01-04 23:22:12 UTC
J Kunjeh wrote:
As much as I make fun of the CSM (well, Mittens in particular), I do think they were rather useful this time around (if horrible communicators to the player base). So, though I agree the players' actions also had a large impact on what came about, I personally think you're off to be discounting CSM6.


i don,t think the csm could do anything ,if all of the playerbase kept silent.

R.S.I2014

J Kunjeh
#30 - 2012-01-04 23:27:53 UTC
oldbutfeelingyoung wrote:
J Kunjeh wrote:
As much as I make fun of the CSM (well, Mittens in particular), I do think they were rather useful this time around (if horrible communicators to the player base). So, though I agree the players' actions also had a large impact on what came about, I personally think you're off to be discounting CSM6.


i don,t think the csm could do anything ,if all of the playerbase kept silent.


I wouldn't go to that extreme, but I definitely agree that it's a symbiotic relationship and it takes a hard working and intelligent CSM, a supportive and vocal (but sane) player base, and an open minded stance on the part of CCP to influence Eve's direction for the better.

"The world as we know it came about through an anomaly (anomou)" (The Gospel of Philip, 1-5) 

Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#31 - 2012-01-04 23:35:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
J Kunjeh, I disagree and I believe the content of Crucible is proof that CCP knew exactly what the players wanted this entire time, but chose to pursue other things instead. It is simply a collection of what we have all been asking for, and have been doing so for years. Even the trailer looked like it was intended to bring people back into the game.



Crucible appeared really fast after the realized failure of incarna and the lol Himlar fiasco. It's content is not an effort of an elected council, it is instead an effort of a panicking and downsizing RL corporation to make people very happy, very fast. I mean, it is pretty obvious isn't it?


& I don't mean that as a troll Blink
The first time I saw the Crucible trailer I was like "Ah... they are saving their assets" (referring to CCP)



P.S.

The CSM did not invent "Hybrids need to be balanced", "Supers need nerf", "Dreds lost their role", "POS's need to be looked at", "fix oneiros" ex.) This has nothing to do with them and I can't understand how people can entertain the idea when people say otherwise (like whitetree) Ugh


You can only get away with that kind of fabricated stupidity on the internet.

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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#32 - 2012-01-04 23:49:53 UTC
As someone who has interacted with the CSM on many occasions I am not sure that the sentiments in the OP are just. Every CSM I have worked with have been productive, helpful and have worked to ensure that player concerns are addressed and fixed. Calling them a fruitless band of individuals is more than unfair.

Still, elections will be coming up in the next few weeks for the CSM so perhaps you can shift that focus, run a strong campaign and be a really good CSM member. Naturally, it is always easy to throw stones at a glass house. Try coming into the house instead and actually affect change.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#33 - 2012-01-04 23:52:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
CCP Navigator wrote:
As someone who has interacted with the CSM on many occasions I am not sure that the sentiments in the OP are just. Every CSM I have worked with have been productive, helpful and have worked to ensure that player concerns are addressed and fixed. Calling them a fruitless band of individuals is more than unfair.

Still, elections will be coming up in the next few weeks for the CSM so perhaps you can shift that focus, run a strong campaign and be a really good CSM member. Naturally, it is always easy to throw stones at a glass house. Try coming into the house instead and actually affect change.



Try getting them to represent themselves the same way when interacting with the general player base. Seriously, it would go a looooong way in terms of restoring the CSM name in the eyes of everyone else. While in the CSM chair, they are representing your company to the rest of the world.

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CCP Navigator
C C P
C C P Alliance
#34 - 2012-01-05 00:00:02 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:
CCP Navigator wrote:
As someone who has interacted with the CSM on many occasions I am not sure that the sentiments in the OP are just. Every CSM I have worked with have been productive, helpful and have worked to ensure that player concerns are addressed and fixed. Calling them a fruitless band of individuals is more than unfair.

Still, elections will be coming up in the next few weeks for the CSM so perhaps you can shift that focus, run a strong campaign and be a really good CSM member. Naturally, it is always easy to throw stones at a glass house. Try coming into the house instead and actually affect change.



Try getting them to represent themselves the same way when interacting with the general player base. Seriously, it would go a looooong way in terms of restoring the CSM name in the eyes of everyone else. While in the CSM chair, they are representing your company to the rest of the world.


Now we are talking about two completely different things Smile

Would you suggest that changing the personna of individuals would be a benefit? I would say that it is due to the difference in personalities that the CSM has become so effective.

You spoke in your OP about the power of the players and you are quite right about that in many ways. EVE constantly changes and evolves becuase of all you guys. If you feel that the CSM needs to change, due to percieved poor interaction with the players, then you also have the power to change that with your votes.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#35 - 2012-01-05 00:02:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
CCP Navigator wrote:
then you also have the power to change that with your votes.


Once you fix the exploited system in CSM voting sure! Lol


1 paying account = 1 vote, or it is meaningless and can be heavily exploited. Not only has it happened, I have seen it admitted too multiple times on these forums over and over again.



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Would you suggest that changing the personna of individuals would be a benefit?


Everyone is expected to conduct themselves with some manner of professionalizm when representing something more then themselves. So I have to say yes. They don't have to be douchebags on the forums, regardless of what their habits are in game (or in RL)



Edit:

Thank you for posting though, it is always good to hear from a Dev member Blink

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Corina Jarr
en Welle Shipping Inc.
#36 - 2012-01-05 00:14:41 UTC
Meh, this CSM wasn't nearly as entertaining as the last one. Mittens is ok for laughs, but Ank was the greatest.


On a serious note, I haven't followed the CSM as much as last year, so I don't know how much work they put in, but I'm sure they did something, either for the players or for CCP.
oldbutfeelingyoung
Perkone
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-01-05 00:21:02 UTC  |  Edited by: oldbutfeelingyoung
CCP Navigator wrote:
As someone who has interacted with the CSM on many occasions I am not sure that the sentiments in the OP are just. Every CSM I have worked with have been productive, helpful and have worked to ensure that player concerns are addressed and fixed. Calling them a fruitless band of individuals is more than unfair.

Still, elections will be coming up in the next few weeks for the CSM so perhaps you can shift that focus, run a strong campaign and be a really good CSM member. Naturally, it is always easy to throw stones at a glass house. Try coming into the house instead and actually affect change.


If you are right that every csm interacted in the way you say,then there would not be a need for the summerrage as it happend
If the csm wasn,t told about the MT store in beforehand, then the CSM is useless
if the csm was told ,the csm was made useless by the NDA

bc ,i don,t believe that a sane player in the csm , liked the idea when presented

R.S.I2014

Kelsi Corynn
Doomheim
#38 - 2012-01-05 01:01:56 UTC
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

1 paying account = 1 vote, or it is meaningless and can be heavily exploited. Not only has it happened, I have seen it admitted too multiple times on these forums over and over again.


If there really is/was a way to exploit the voting process, that would be... bad.
Eternum Praetorian
Doomheim
#39 - 2012-01-05 01:07:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Eternum Praetorian
Kelsi Corynn wrote:
Eternum Praetorian wrote:

1 paying account = 1 vote, or it is meaningless and can be heavily exploited. Not only has it happened, I have seen it admitted too multiple times on these forums over and over again.


If there really is/was a way to exploit the voting process, that would be... bad.



I have 2 accounts and so I get 2 votes. Do you know how many people in nullsec have more then just 2? People were activating dead accounts, and buying accounts with plexes just to game the CSM vote. Why do you think that there are Pandemic and Goon CSM's? Coincidence? Nope. Wealthy alliances that are not only large, they also have many multiple account owners (like 4,5,6 accounts and more)


Guess what that means for the ordinary, run of the mill single account holder who only gets 1 vote?




20 people with 2 accounts can submit 40 votes
That means that twice as many single account holders have to vote for it to break even (let alone have their choice win the CSM chair)

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#40 - 2012-01-05 01:10:04 UTC
still sucks that some of the well known forum ccp posters got fired. but other then that i think crucible and the new direction is exactly what is needed in the game.