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New Plex Feature -- Very Profitable!

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Ralf Ghasha
Celestial Mining Corporation
#1 - 2015-09-27 19:36:04 UTC
Hey I was wondering if you guys could add a feature to the plex that allows a player to substitute 1 plex for 30 days of Instant skill research from the character training que based on what was at the top of that list.... I understand that's pay to play but when research times are greater than 9 years it makes since to offer this and help give new players skills without waiting 9 years to train. The more plex's you sell the better it is for everyone!
Mag's
Azn Empire
#2 - 2015-09-27 19:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Mag's
There is already a sticky thread on SP above.

Reported for redundancy.

Oh and it's a no. So far no one has show why this is required, or what it fixes.

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Ellendras Silver
CrashCat Corporation
#3 - 2015-09-27 19:59:41 UTC
no, no and no again for this. it would kill the game for me. EVE stands out from the other games due to this and some other unique features and this needs to stay that way. or else new characters could just get out the creditcard and create the ultimate char in a few hours.

again NO, NO and NO

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Samillian
Angry Mustellid
#4 - 2015-09-27 20:05:59 UTC
Not now.

Not tomorrow.

Not ever.

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Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2015-09-27 20:08:49 UTC
Ralf Ghasha wrote:
The more plex's you sell the better it is for everyone!


Stupid kind of joke which isn't even funny.

The idea itself is 100% pay to win.

Get the *beep* out of here.
unidenify
Deaf Armada
#6 - 2015-09-27 20:11:08 UTC
there is, it is called Character Bazaar
Aerasia
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#7 - 2015-09-27 21:29:00 UTC
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
The idea itself is 100% pay to win.
I'll have to keep that in mind for all the threads where people insist that SP mean nothing in comparison to player skill.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#8 - 2015-09-27 21:59:44 UTC
Aerasia wrote:
Celthric Kanerian wrote:
The idea itself is 100% pay to win.
I'll have to keep that in mind for all the threads where people insist that SP mean nothing in comparison to player skill.

To a point, with this things get ridiculous very quickly.

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elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#9 - 2015-09-27 22:27:20 UTC
Yeah sure, I just became 9 EVE years yesterday with the experience that comes with it, why wouldn't I want a noob to buy my experience and kick me in my behind for spending the better part of a decade?

No!

Eve Minions is recruiting.

This is the law of ship progression!

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Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2015-09-27 23:51:07 UTC
Mag's wrote:
There is already a sticky thread on SP above.

Reported for redundancy.

Oh and it's a no. So far no one has show why this is required, or what it fixes.

Retention.

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2015-09-28 00:35:00 UTC
Dror wrote:
Mag's wrote:
There is already a sticky thread on SP above.

Reported for redundancy.

Oh and it's a no. So far no one has show why this is required, or what it fixes.

Retention.


Why throw PLEX at training when you can throw it at the bazar and not need any new code to be implemented?
Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#12 - 2015-09-28 00:54:38 UTC
I like the idea.

+1

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.
Daichi Yamato
Jabbersnarks and Wonderglass
#13 - 2015-09-28 01:23:22 UTC
Dror wrote:
Mag's wrote:
There is already a sticky thread on SP above.

Reported for redundancy.

Oh and it's a no. So far no one has show why this is required, or what it fixes.

Retention.


This would hurt retention.

Hell no op.

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#14 - 2015-09-28 01:26:40 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
Yeah sure, I just became 9 EVE years yesterday with the experience that comes with it, why wouldn't I want a noob to buy my experience and kick me in my behind for spending the better part of a decade?

No!


The noob plexing his SP to the equivalent of 9 years would not have your experience... PLEX for SP is a bad idea but what you posted is probably at least if not more stupid.
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2015-09-28 01:42:43 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dror wrote:
Mag's wrote:
There is already a sticky thread on SP above.

Reported for redundancy.

Oh and it's a no. So far no one has show why this is required, or what it fixes.

Retention.


Why throw PLEX at training when you can throw it at the bazar and not need any new code to be implemented?

Because 20-40 PLEX is much more pricey than a few.

Daichi Yamato wrote:
This would hurt retention.

If this is saying that veterans would unsub, that's quite the stereotype; and it seems based on nothing.

If this is saying that fresh-sub retention would become less, there seems no logic on this with the statistics that are reported.

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#16 - 2015-09-28 02:01:35 UTC
Dror wrote:

If this is saying that veterans would unsub, that's quite the stereotype; and it seems based on nothing.

If this is saying that fresh-sub retention would become less, there seems no logic on this with the statistics that are reported.


There is no statistic because it never happened. The projection that many people see is that many people will dump money on the game to train for something and potentially get bored of it. Since they will never have trained stuff the current way, they will see their next train as another need to dump more money on the game and might just say **** it and leave.

The real issue with ideas like that is that we don't really know what will happen if it gets in but if you look at other MMO, you will see that every single one of them who introduced a bad cash shop is borderline dead now. Those that didn't implement cash shop that people hated with a passion are faring much better. It's a gamble and only CCP know if they want to go with that but a lot of people see it for what it is, a gamble where we can't even really get the odds to judge if they are good or not. It's like playing poker with 300 decks of cards shuffled together. You never know if you have a good because your cards don't eliminate the opposition's chance of having the same ones.
Dror
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#17 - 2015-09-28 02:58:03 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dror wrote:

If this is saying that veterans would unsub, that's quite the stereotype; and it seems based on nothing.

If this is saying that fresh-sub retention would become less, there seems no logic on this with the statistics that are reported.


There is no statistic because it never happened. The projection that many people see is that many people will dump money on the game to train for something and potentially get bored of it. Since they will never have trained stuff the current way, they will see their next train as another need to dump more money on the game and might just say **** it and leave.

The real issue with ideas like that is that we don't really know what will happen if it gets in but if you look at other MMO, you will see that every single one of them who introduced a bad cash shop is borderline dead now. Those that didn't implement cash shop that people hated with a passion are faring much better. It's a gamble and only CCP know if they want to go with that but a lot of people see it for what it is, a gamble where we can't even really get the odds to judge if they are good or not. It's like playing poker with 300 decks of cards shuffled together. You never know if you have a good because your cards don't eliminate the opposition's chance of having the same ones.

Doesn't EVE already have a cash shop in the form of PLEX trading for ISK and characters?

"SP is helpful for the game?" Here's all of the research on motivation -- it says the opposite! What purpose does it serve, then? Starter corps are non-competitive. Sov is unchallenged. "Fix sov!" you say? Remove SP.
Iain Cariaba
#18 - 2015-09-28 03:21:35 UTC
Dror wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Dror wrote:

If this is saying that veterans would unsub, that's quite the stereotype; and it seems based on nothing.

If this is saying that fresh-sub retention would become less, there seems no logic on this with the statistics that are reported.


There is no statistic because it never happened. The projection that many people see is that many people will dump money on the game to train for something and potentially get bored of it. Since they will never have trained stuff the current way, they will see their next train as another need to dump more money on the game and might just say **** it and leave.

The real issue with ideas like that is that we don't really know what will happen if it gets in but if you look at other MMO, you will see that every single one of them who introduced a bad cash shop is borderline dead now. Those that didn't implement cash shop that people hated with a passion are faring much better. It's a gamble and only CCP know if they want to go with that but a lot of people see it for what it is, a gamble where we can't even really get the odds to judge if they are good or not. It's like playing poker with 300 decks of cards shuffled together. You never know if you have a good because your cards don't eliminate the opposition's chance of having the same ones.

Doesn't EVE already have a cash shop in the form of PLEX trading for ISK and characters?

PLEX originally started as a way to streamline trading Game Time Codes for ISK, which itself was a way to combat ISK farmers selling ISK for real money. CCP then expanded the scope of PLEX to include PLEX for Good, funding trips to Iceland once a year, MTC, and other things. Honestly, taking PLEX beyond the scope of in game GTCs was a mistake. The more CCP allows people to do with PLEX, the more they want to be able to do with it.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#19 - 2015-09-28 04:15:57 UTC
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