Player Features and Ideas Discussion

As best I can tell, he thinks the problem is that PvP still exists. Fortunately for every real player, he's out of luck in that.

Of course. And it cannot possibly be that he's just playing the wrong game.

Its never them. They always lead I tried to bring my friends in and they hate eve. They actually played the game. They learned to live with it. But not their friends.


Which, and maybe its just me, I write that off as friends have different tastes in games. All good really. Cost of games these days....put that 40-60+ (monthly subs in case of eve) into something you will enjoy. Life and money can be too short to play a game you just don't like.

I have a coworker at work who doesn't like stealth games. Tried phantom menace and hated it. I can talk all day long about the greatness of of phantom pain (Kojima-san left konami with a bang on this one, he did not screw us the players over in the political crap that severed him from konami) ....they won't jump on that wagon. Which is cool....we all have our likes and dislikes.

Eve not for for everyone. No game is.


Eve has been like this since day one and its had subscribers to keep it afloat 10+ years. Not too shabby for a game developer to be honest. Niche game is niche. Some people need to understand how niche business models work. They work by keeping a core type of client happy enough it pays the bills. If a retail store as an example they become the source for things Generic_monster_chain_store can't provide. Will they ever take on say Walmart? Nope. Pays the bills, make some profit....gratz they are a success.

Make War Dec's Matter - You can't the meta is too stronk. Neutral alts are all powerful. If CCP can find a way to penalize neutral alts with instant destruction or at least a weapons timer simply for activating reps even if the target isn't aggro'd (a la bastion) then it makes a huge difference.

So basically you must have the freedom to take the freedom of other people away.

And you basically need to have tools to make your life easier using the excuse of someone else's life being easy ?

And you need to enhance the ability of people to earn by crime obscene sums of money in the hisec because people not doing crime in hisec earn too much without risk ?

And hisec must not be secure, so basically, not hisec.

That smells one thing and one thing only: Low sec is too dangeous for the "bad boys" so they must be able to do their crime under the protection of the police, so no one else attacks them while they attack someone ?

Nah. That must be met with a distribution of blocks.

He's killed hundreds of defenseless people for no other reason than laughs and a bit of profit but he sure seems to want to turn his life around so lets give him the chance.

You are looking at it from the bad guy's point of view. The bad guy gets to keep his kill mail, gets to brag about his kill, gets to know he frustrated another player, etc..etc..etc.

You want to sympathize how about with the victims, they have a permanent record of their slaughter (killmail) forever, they remember the day with frustration, they permanently lose ISK and once lost it can never be made up again, you can make more but you will always be in a situation that you could have had more had you not gotten ganked.

so again, no chance to repair is how the game should be. It is a mantra of the game that you must deal with your decisions. The guy that got ganked could have played in a different space, could have rolled with more tank, could have taken friends but whatever he did he must live the the consequences of his choices that led him to be ganked forever, so should his ganker.

I dont believe in that...same as working for (recovering) status with factions and NPC corps...the ability is there...but yeah just 1 more nerf.....

What page did this become a philosophy debate?

Most people are carebaers at heart.
They want a risk and consequence free enviroment in which they can do what they want to do. Many "pvp" players are even worse carbears than miners and mission runners. They only want risk for the other side and perfect safety for themselfs.

"No place in eve should be safe" is perfectly right. So of course ganking should always be possible. But of course the same must be true for the gankers, they should carry at least an equal risk. Which in the current state they dont. Ganking is nearly perfectly safe.
No one is going to gank your catalyst, and even if someone did, the loss would be near zero. You will loose it after the gank, but thats not a risk, thats simply a part of the cost for the kill, like ammunition.

So following the rule "no place in eve should be safe" there should be more risk for the gankers.
I liked the solution of Ultima Online:
Every illegal kill gets you a murder count. One count decays after 40hours, but the timer is reset if you get another count within that period. If you have 5 kills your name turns red and you are a valid target for everyone, everywhere. If you collect a serious number of kills, you were not going to be blue again for a long long time. No buying security tags to remove this.

I would like to see a similar system in eve. Kill too many people and you are a target for everyone. No concord protection for "murderers". For a long time. No buying out of this.
Important: this mechanic should be seperate from the current security. I do not want to set them to -5 nearly permanently, since then they would also be attacked by NPC. Thats not the point, since this would greatly reduce their ability to perform ganks. They just should also have the risk of being attacked by players. Not hiding behind concord.

Its called outlaw status. They get this if they are really successful at thier job. You get warning signs before blinky red. it be pay attention yellow.

Cost of tags is not the out some make it. It costs money. Can be a few isk. Unless banging out some really good kills...they will see low sec soon. If this successful....well the smart bet is to keep that isk and run the loops I mentioned earlier. Or join 0.0.

Here is thier risk. When they hit low sec, and turn to sec status fixing its test time. Can they avoid pirates better than pirates can find them on pve runs. Same for 0.0 loop runs. If lucky you could find a place the owners were on a road trip to be more empty. But as 0.0 got more static (and bluer donuts of doom), these hookups got harder to get.

The gank dessie whine....fun fact, this was player asked for. CCP fix our dessies was the cry of the masses. Low level bears asked for this. FW asked for this. RvB asked for this. Gankers kept their mouth shut and said let these deemed more honorable pvp'ers get their wish so they can ride that wave too. Wish granted.