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Coming Fleetwarp Change a Nerf to Suicide Ganking?
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Agent Grzzly
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2015-09-25 03:06:22 UTC
Some of the things I've been hearing about the (now delayed) fleetwarp changes concern me. At first, it seemed that it was being reworked so that your FC couldn't just warp you around everywhere, but everything would functionally be the same, but after reading a little more about it, I have questions.

As a humble suicide ganker, I only have about 12 seconds to execute a gank, and I therefore need to be able to land fairly close to my target, since I don't really have time to close range.

My question is, when this change eventually hits, will it turn out to be a de facto nerf to suicide ganking?

Also, will solo ganking with just one account still be viable? That is, bookmarking a target with a scout alt, then logging and switching to the ganker, and still landing at about 2 kilometers from the target?

Thanks folks.

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baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2015-09-25 03:12:49 UTC
Fleet warps to the scanner who is at zero on the target, no change.
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#3 - 2015-09-25 03:20:04 UTC
in a gank fleet the scout can always land on top of the target and the fleet can then warp to the scout. afaik that has pretty much always worked. My probe alt used to always have a point, not sure if that is just old, I don't remember right, or I was doing it wrong.

I think it depends on how you operate solo. with a corp bookmark that should still work.

I should probably go read the changes in detail sometime.

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Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2015-09-25 04:13:00 UTC
baltec1 wrote:
Fleet warps to the scanner who is at zero on the target, no change.


Will it effect dbrb's ability to catch anything that is awake?
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#5 - 2015-09-25 04:17:58 UTC
Cancel Align NOW wrote:
baltec1 wrote:
Fleet warps to the scanner who is at zero on the target, no change.


Will it effect dbrb's ability to catch anything that is awake?


No, truffle pig will find truffles.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#6 - 2015-09-25 05:00:03 UTC
What fleet warp changes? We do not yet know what the revised changes will be.

CCP Larrikin wrote:
Regarding fleet warps, we’re going to look at alternative design solutions. We would like to incentivize players rather than remove existing functionality.
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=444471

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Ima Wreckyou
The Conference Elite
The Conference
#7 - 2015-09-25 07:54:13 UTC
looks like they are not able to implement the fleet bookmarks so they droped the change. the (source)Code always wins! ALWAYS!

Evil RatKid
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#8 - 2015-09-25 17:25:36 UTC
Agent Grzzly wrote:
Some of the things I've been hearing about the (now delayed) fleetwarp changes concern me. At first, it seemed that it was being reworked so that your FC couldn't just warp you around everywhere, but everything would functionally be the same, but after reading a little more about it, I have questions.

As a humble suicide ganker, I only have about 12 seconds to execute a gank, and I therefore need to be able to land fairly close to my target, since I don't really have time to close range.

My question is, when this change eventually hits, will it turn out to be a de facto nerf to suicide ganking?

Also, will solo ganking with just one account still be viable? That is, bookmarking a target with a scout alt, then logging and switching to the ganker, and still landing at about 2 kilometers from the target?

Thanks folks.



the second part of your question has nothing to do with fleet warp changed. as its just you warping to a corp bm.

if you had more then 1 ship, each ship would of had to warp tot he bm themselves.

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Commander Spurty
#9 - 2015-09-25 18:03:46 UTC
If CCP want to incentivize (is that a word?) us not to warp fleets on top of people, hows about an alert that there's a fleet warping to your location pops-ups up too all people at the 'destination' ?

You can still fleet warp, but if that's too someone, you probably wont catch them.

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Gimme Sake
State War Academy
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-09-25 22:15:06 UTC
It is, or better said was, probably a change meant to make it hard for fleets to warp away (to a safe bookmark) from engagements. As far as I know it was supposed to be implemented in the last August patch but it got dropped for some reason. I don't see how it would affect suicide ganking tho', because warp to member is still an option so instead of warping fleet to target, warp fleet to inconspicuous scout venture on target or warp fleet to cloaked scout at 3k away from target.

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The Asteroid
Fuel Blocks for Dante
#11 - 2015-09-26 05:18:39 UTC
Commander Spurty wrote:
If CCP want to incentivize (is that a word?) us not to warp fleets on top of people, hows about an alert that there's a fleet warping to your location pops-ups up too all people at the 'destination' ?

You can still fleet warp, but if that's too someone, you probably wont catch them.

That would cater to the risk averse crowd a bit too much I think.
Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#12 - 2015-09-26 09:53:26 UTC
So, two rather large palmetto bugs are sitting on my kitchen counter. I raised my massive bug sledge hammer and came down hard on one, the other flew off! Was the first a brave soul worthy of respect, and the second a lowly risk-averse game messer upper? You decide...unless you already have.

There just isn't anything that can be said!
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#13 - 2015-09-26 10:02:41 UTC
OP is a prime example of how CODE and their fierce warriors came to be: they have to be spoon-fed the game mechanics & tactics that are required for their... craft, on their own they couldn't add 2 and 2 together. Kinda like most fierce PVPers from the huge coalitions really, clueless and have to be told everything 17 times and when they finally adopt it (it probably needed guides with MLP pictures to sink in) THEN they act as if they invented it themselves.


Miners this is your adversary: Just as clueless as you.
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#14 - 2015-09-26 15:07:39 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
OP is a prime example of how CODE and their fierce warriors came to be: they have to be spoon-fed the game mechanics & tactics that are required for their... craft, on their own they couldn't add 2 and 2 together. Kinda like most fierce PVPers from the huge coalitions really, clueless and have to be told everything 17 times and when they finally adopt it (it probably needed guides with MLP pictures to sink in) THEN they act as if they invented it themselves.


Miners this is your adversary: Just as clueless as you.


Miner, calm down.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#15 - 2015-09-26 15:22:29 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
OP is a prime example of how CODE and their fierce warriors came to be: they have to be spoon-fed the game mechanics & tactics that are required for their... craft, on their own they couldn't add 2 and 2 together. Kinda like most fierce PVPers from the huge coalitions really, clueless and have to be told everything 17 times and when they finally adopt it (it probably needed guides with MLP pictures to sink in) THEN they act as if they invented it themselves.


Miners this is your adversary: Just as clueless as you.

Did that make you feel better about yourself in eve online, an internet spaceships game?

GD, op success

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#16 - 2015-09-26 15:41:25 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Did that make you feel better about yourself in eve online, an internet spaceships game?


Nah, just pointing out the obvious. It's funny that 2 people from both groups in question replied to it. So how many brony guides did it require for you to learn something basic?
Bellatrix Invicta
Doomheim
#17 - 2015-09-26 15:50:05 UTC
Gregor Parud wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Did that make you feel better about yourself in eve online, an internet spaceships game?


Nah, just pointing out the obvious. It's funny that 2 people from both groups in question replied to it. So how many brony guides did it require for you to learn something basic?


None... I think. WTF is a "brony"? I'm self-taught, 100%.

If you think you've won, think again.

The CODE always wins.
Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#18 - 2015-09-26 16:14:20 UTC
Ah, the mystical unicorn... Oh wait, no.
Marsha Mallow
#19 - 2015-09-26 16:18:40 UTC
Bellatrix Invicta wrote:
WTF is a "brony"?

Dusties afaik

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