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SKINs; the "You don't understand economics" version
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Sylveria Relden
#61 - 2015-07-10 23:08:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Sylveria Relden
Knights Armament wrote:
Lets look at the facts.

CCP needs more money, because game development costs millions. You need advertising money, bribe money, MMA lessons, whatever else it costs to run a company, you think that stuff comes cheap?


Especially the bribe money and MMA lessons. I mean, cmon- do you really expect them to be working diligently at the computer screens creating ship and structure models all day long??? ;)

CCP is a business- it's about making money. For those who think they should be able to play the game free, forever- ask yourselves- how long do you think they can keep it all running when you're not paying them a cent??

Hellooooooooo.

TL;DR If you didn't read the entire post perhaps you're probably ADHD. (seek help)
HeXxploiT
Doomheim
#62 - 2015-07-11 02:39:17 UTC  |  Edited by: HeXxploiT
Aerasia wrote:


PS: Stop with Wiyrkomi, it's super boring. If you can't come up with a decent Caldari skin just go for Ishukone plz.



Funny the Wiyrkomi is the only skin I have applied on both a frigate and a capital ship.
I think it's the coolest darn looking skin in the game. I guess there is no accounting for taste.Blink

As far as skins being too expensive...well they're not. There are SOME that are expensive but the early ships that were expensive will represent a small fraction of total ships after a few more months of releases. It's true that few people will buy large quantities of skins for personal use but they don't need to. I don't usually spend money on things quite so superficial but there will be a FEW that I like and will inject. It's a good model and even if SOME of the skins are $20(which most will not be) they last forever whereas a plex only lasts 30days so it's rather apples & oranges comparing the two.
Word of advice...the new pricing model will very possibly not effect the price of those expensive first skins so get them on the cheap while you can.Cool
Tappits
Sniggerdly
Pandemic Legion
#63 - 2015-07-13 12:30:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tappits
I used to have skinned ships, Now i don't have any and not looking to ever get any now there not special or destructible.

PS. the Wiyrkomi skins are crap. Why can i not have an Iron man Wyvern or a Black and gold levi?
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#64 - 2015-07-13 12:55:12 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


The new T2 and navy frigate skins are less than $5 each.

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Tyrendian Biohazard
The Bastards
Sedition.
#65 - 2015-07-13 18:24:38 UTC
My perspective:

I don't mind that CCP is doing something "on the side" to make more money. And though there won't be figures available, I'm definitely ready to believe that it is a great ISK sink. My problem is not the skins themselves, but the SKIN system.

When the first Hyperion skin was released (before SKINs), we were running a LS roaming fleet that happened to swing by (I believe) Rens to restock and let a few players reship. While docked, there was a Aliastra Hyperion on the undock, suspect and playing games. In short order we kill it and a handful of ships that were supporting it, when they tried to help. The totaled value of that kill, if I recall correctly, was 2b+ adjusted. Within a minute of that Hyperion loss we had received a wardec from the corporation. it provided content.

It's not about a "money grab" or what is providing more of an ISK sink, its about an opportunity for emergent gameplay (which EVE so proudly touts) being taken out of the game. With the SKINs no longer being destructible, not many will care if a skinned ship will be lost as they just buy the cheaper base hull and apply it again.

Yes, it may have been one time. Yes, it may never happen again. But anything that removes this type of gameplay from EVE, no matter how small, I am totally against.

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Carrie-Anne Moss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#66 - 2015-09-26 00:46:25 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c

I agree
Mag's
Azn Empire
#67 - 2015-09-26 00:54:52 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c
This.

Bought a few with AUR I had given me by CCP. Not spent any more.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#68 - 2015-09-26 06:23:39 UTC
When can we get some wicked Pirate SKINs like the ones on Serenity?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#69 - 2015-09-26 06:58:23 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
Quote:

SKINs; the "You don't understand economics" version


WRONG!
It's another
Quote:
Me (some average eve player) is smarter than CCP

thread

An arrogant believe, that some of eve players and lots for forum warriors share.

Not many came to the conclusion that one can look at this like another
Quote:
buaa, SKINS are to expensive

thread.

Buy them or not and shut up. You are not forced to buy them for price X. You can always wait for them to get cheaper, but still one can assume their will still more whiners who will tell its to expensive and for price Y they would buy LOADS.

SKINs are blingy (luxury) items.
Unlike any other EvE item, SKINs do net get destroyed. And they are not good for anything else. You can not play trading games with them. To enjoy them you have to play with a view close to the ship.

Me?
Have a Kronos i do not play and bought a police skin. Just because i like the looks. And yeah i thought "is that necessary?"

Look at this like that:

I really like EvE, i buy items that are not good for anything else than to show that.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#70 - 2015-09-26 07:37:28 UTC  |  Edited by: La Rynx
To bad, i would love to start an
Quote:
good games and immersion versus "just pixels" asshats


For a game to keep ppl playing, immersion is critical.
Immersion, to dive in, to bed in. It makes you feel connected to the game, create some kind of emotional bond.
A very good way to do that, to allow someone to differentiate a little from the masses.
Like the "Plex for good" -tshirts, to show what one believe or just do look a little bit different, or connect to a certain group.

On the opposite site, we have the "why are you angry, its justs pixels" asshats.
Its like saying "why are you angry, you should not be immersed".
The times where games are looked down at, should be over. Thanks to e-sports, ppl see, that games are a viable source of entertainment. Entertainment you can join, not just like watching TV or movies.
This is just a way, to feel superior and beeing arrogant.
Ppl like codies need that.

You are angry and excited you lost your ship?
GOOOOOOD!
You are immersed! In game stuff means something to you! Unlike some throwaway cata, you do lots to keep you ships alive. You adapt and change you fits to situations, not like ppl who fly whith a setup someone came up with and you do not need to change at all. The ship gets destroyed anyway. Those are the asshats trying to elevate themself via an obsolete and cheap assertion from early times.

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La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#71 - 2015-09-26 07:49:24 UTC
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one skin. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)
/c


What?
I assume that you must be one of the isk richest EvE players ever. There should be a way for you to get any SKIN via some legal ingame trade.
This "emotional obstacle" give those SKINs what? An emotional value.
To me it looks like it works like intended.

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Algarion Getz
Aideron Corp
#72 - 2015-09-26 09:47:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Algarion Getz
TigerXtrm wrote:
People take issue with the silly prices for something purely cosmetic. I'll draw the comparison to TF2 again. They have cosmetic items as well that you can never lose after purchase. Yet when they cost 5 dollars, you're already talking expensive. So why is it that CCP demands that an ingame item needs to cost a month worth of subscription time? It's completely out of proportion and no casual EVE player is gonna be able to justify a 15 dollar cosmetic item. I'd like to know what that exact price point came from and why CCP thought it was a good idea. Because I don't see it.

Also what ever happened to the time limited SKIN's. Was that idea dropped because CCP figured those would probably be favored over their hideously expensive permanent ones?

This. The SKIN feature in its current form is a huge waste of potential. Sure, CCP has the right to charge a high price, but how many players will buy a battleship SKIN for 12€? 0.01%? 0.02%? 12€ is a lot of money for such a simple cosmetic item. For 12€ i can get a nice indie game or AAA games during Steam sales. For example, i bought the GTA complete collection (all GTA games with DLCs, except GTA5) for 11€ during Steam sales. CCP wants 12€ for 1 texture? NOPE.

I think CCP should do a reset/overhaul of the SKIN feature:
* let NPCs sell SKINs. Make the permanent ones expensive, it would be a great ISK sink.
* Add corp skins. You could charge a monthly fee for them - another ISK sink.
* Let us make our own SKINs ingame with the editor shown some time ago. Of course, players would have to buy a expensive license (ISK sink!) if the want to use it in space on a ship. Ship SKIN designer could be a new profession for the creative EVE players.
* Exclusive SKINs could still be sold for AURUM, i.e. shiny silver/gold SKINs.
Jill Xelitras
Xeltec services
#73 - 2015-09-26 10:03:38 UTC
Rain6637 wrote:
Other NEX (NES? I forget) items like clothing, which are not consumed when applied to the character, are not sinks. Consumables like SKINs, resculpts, and dual character training certificates are. You are aware of the possibility of SKIN supplies diminishing, and you can buy them for ISK -> PLEX -> AUR, so I don't get the confusion.



You have to ask yourself, whether your ISK is going to an NPC (CCP = ISK sink, because ISK permanently leaves the game)

or

is your ISK going to a player (player trade, ISK stays in the game economy)

... so, are you buying PLEX with ISK from CCP/NPC or from a player ?

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moep
Doomheim
#74 - 2015-09-26 12:27:23 UTC  |  Edited by: moep
Chribba wrote:
I still wish they were cheaper, I cannot motivate myself paying $15 for one MARAUDER. However I'm pretty sure that if they were $5 I would have bought 4 of them without feeling that motivational obstacle - and CCP would have earned more money off me (i've said the same for DUST AUR stuff...)

/c


I agree with Chribba, Marauders are too expensive and there is a risk to loose them in battle.

Concerning skins, come on, vanity items, price is ok for an item you cannot loose. If you don't want to spend hard cash, then isk one. Big smile. Some of the BS and T1 frig skins are cheap if you check the market. And it should be something special.

But that damn Marauders Cry
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#75 - 2015-09-26 13:09:51 UTC
Received a few skins for free. Haven't used them once. Skins are worthless eye candy that, for me, adds absolutely nothing to the game.
Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#76 - 2015-09-26 13:29:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Divine Entervention
Only thing I don't like is that when you buy the $20 aurum pack and then get the multiple character training thing, you get left with 530ish aurum.

That's not enough to buy a ship skin, which I'd get the red griffin one cuz anyone who flies anything other than a griffin is a dumb nerd.

Also I activated an old ex-goon account I started back in 2006 or 2007 and all the t1 frigates I have still have this really cool gold and red skin on them. Well the anathema got destroyed because of hackers hacking me, totally not my fault really. When I got the new one is was black and grey. Totally not cool.

So now I'm stuck with these 3 ships I don't want to lose because they're super pretty and irreplaceable.

This is an outrage.
Boci
Ubiquitous Hurt
The WeHurt Initiative
#77 - 2015-09-26 13:30:19 UTC
My two problems with the system:
1) Price itself is high (imo) - as others have said the real "trick" to microtransactions is that the individual purchase is small enough to not have to debate whether or not it is worth doing. Hey it looks cool! Hey its $2! *purchased*

2) Prices are insanely inconsistent. Tormentor is a pretty good example of this. Now, I don't know the amount of art asset time it takes to do these, but Ardishapur skin....740. Sarum, 4300. Most avatar skins are 4300. Um..what?

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Divine Entervention
Doomheim
#78 - 2015-09-26 13:36:10 UTC
Maybe we can convince CCP to get involved in talks with major corporations such as Coca-Cola and McDonalds to have cheap skins available?

I'd like to see some Big-Mac Obelisks or maybe a Chicken McNugget Malediction. Maybe a Mountain Dew Caracal. SInce they'd be partial advertisement we could probably get them super cheap, like $3.
Memphis Baas
#79 - 2015-09-26 13:49:18 UTC
Jennifer Maxwell wrote:
Alright, lets try to put the final nail in the ranting about skin prices.


This thread is not the final nail; it's the opposite, opening the coffin to revisit the issue and look at all the rotting arguments all over again. I disagree with what you've said and maintain my old position, and so are others, looks like.