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Questions regarding Phoenix (help Phoenix newbie plz :P)

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Aikawa Mina
trade tax free
#1 - 2015-09-26 01:33:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Aikawa Mina
Hi~ everyone :D
I recently started to have some interest in flying Phoenix but before i jump in, I have few questions about it.
1. Could we use Phoenix in highsec area? if not, how about just flying one?
2. I heard capital ship class can't dock into stations. Is that same for Phoenix?
3. Could someone share Phoenix fittings for fleet pvp on this post? because Battleclinic.com won't open up on my computer somehow.
Thx Cool
Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#2 - 2015-09-26 01:39:51 UTC
1. nope, lowsec/nullsec only a few legacy highsec dreads exist, but afaik they can no longer be sold, so they are a rare thing
2. Titans and Super carriers can't dock. regular carriers and dreadnoughts can dock. Phoenix is a dread so it can dock.
3. I'll leave this to someone else, but I would guess max damage and buffer, with maybe a capital shield booster. not sure if cruise or torps are currently in favor.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#3 - 2015-09-26 02:45:21 UTC
If you have to ask, you don't need to know

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Chainsaw Plankton
FaDoyToy
#4 - 2015-09-26 02:51:16 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
If you have to ask, you don't need to know

when it comes to caps that is a fair answer.

@ChainsawPlankto on twitter

Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#5 - 2015-09-26 02:52:51 UTC
I didn't mean to sound rude, but they are pretty specialised and if you don't have a clear vision as to why your training towards them (not an insignificant amount of time and SPs), you must surely ask yourself, 'why?'

Perfection is a dish best served like wasabi .

Bumble's Space Log

Ima GoodGirl
Aria Shi's Wasted ISK
#6 - 2015-09-26 02:58:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Ima GoodGirl
Bumblefck wrote:
If you have to ask, you don't need to know

Should have been:

If you have to Pheonix, you don't need to know.

lol Phoenix.

Though....

given it is so bad...

It will probably end up the best after the Capital rebalance...

Need to change my skill queue...
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#7 - 2015-09-26 04:55:06 UTC
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If you have to ask, you don't need to know

Should have been:

If you have to Pheonix, you don't need to know.

lol Phoenix.

Though....

given it is so bad...

It will probably end up the best after the Capital rebalance...

Need to change my skill queue...


I think so too. The Phoenix is gonna rock soon.
Nafensoriel
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2015-09-26 17:59:49 UTC
Phoenix hasn't been terrible for a while. If it gets buffed to the top of the pile by the capital rebalance its going to be a frightening thing.
Kandor Taz
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2015-09-26 18:42:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Kandor Taz
Aikawa Mina wrote:
Hi~ everyone :D
I recently started to have some interest in flying Phoenix but before i jump in, I have few questions about it.
1. Could we use Phoenix in highsec area? if not, how about just flying one?
2. I heard capital ship class can't dock into stations. Is that same for Phoenix?
3. Could someone share Phoenix fittings for fleet pvp on this post? because Battleclinic.com won't open up on my computer somehow.
Thx Cool


You seem to be pretty new as you are in a rookie corp, you don't know that dreads and carriers can dock, and you are using battle clinic fits. I'm going to suggest that to enjoy the game you put away flying a capital ship for a while. I know it looks exciting and fun (and it can be) but to sit in one it takes ~100 days of very focused training. To actually fly the ship well it might be another 100 days. In that time you won't be able to do anything else. Your skills won't be useful for subcaps and you won't actually get to play Eve at its best. Another **** thing about training straight for a capital is capitals are not used in every fight. You won't be able to just take a Phoenix out to every T2 cruiser fleet. It will severely limit your money making opportunities and what fleets you can go on.

What I suggest is first of all find a corporation that does something you'd be interested in. Find a lowsec PVP corp, join one of the nullsec corps like Dreddit, or Karmafleet, or Pandemic Horde, or any group that takes new players. Ask for help train their doctrines. This way you can learn to fight, make money, and generally how to play the game. After you've been playing for a good while and understand the game you have a few options.

1. Start a new characters and begin training him into a focused capital pilot.

2. If you have enough money simply buy a pilot that can fly a dread.

3. If you feel you've trained enough other skills to make subcaps fun then go ahead and train your main character for a capital. This does have the advantage over starting an alt in that there are a lot of core skills you won't need to train. But it means you will be stuck with whatever subcaps you have for quite a while.
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2015-09-26 18:59:39 UTC
Daniela Doran wrote:
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If you have to ask, you don't need to know

Should have been:

If you have to Pheonix, you don't need to know.

lol Phoenix.

Though....

given it is so bad...

It will probably end up the best after the Capital rebalance...

Need to change my skill queue...


I think so too. The Phoenix is gonna rock soon.



The phoenix rocks now.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.

Indahmawar Fazmarai
#11 - 2015-09-26 19:11:33 UTC
Has already been pointed. Bore yourself doing everything else before you go for capitals; they are very specialized tools whose main use ATM is bashing structures (which is as thrilling as it sounds) and dreadnaughts specifically are fleet machines, akin to glass cannons. They are not "cool", they are tools for a purpose, and currently CCP is reassesing that purpose.

Also the Phoenix specifically used to be a running joke...
Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#12 - 2015-09-27 01:30:11 UTC
My Phoenix has been docked so long, I don't even remember where I left it.

Star Jump Drive A new way to traverse the galaxy.

I invented Tiericide

Aikawa Mina
trade tax free
#13 - 2015-09-27 08:18:03 UTC
Chainsaw Plankton wrote:
1. nope, lowsec/nullsec only a few legacy highsec dreads exist, but afaik they can no longer be sold, so they are a rare thing
2. Titans and Super carriers can't dock. regular carriers and dreadnoughts can dock. Phoenix is a dread so it can dock.
3. I'll leave this to someone else, but I would guess max damage and buffer, with maybe a capital shield booster. not sure if cruise or torps are currently in favor.


KK thank youBig smile
Aikawa Mina
trade tax free
#14 - 2015-09-27 08:20:46 UTC
Bumblefck wrote:
I didn't mean to sound rude, but they are pretty specialised and if you don't have a clear vision as to why your training towards them (not an insignificant amount of time and SPs), you must surely ask yourself, 'why?'


hmm I see.... so it's not really good idea to fly phoenix unless I have a good reason for it... Shocked
Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#15 - 2015-09-27 08:24:48 UTC
Aiwha wrote:
Daniela Doran wrote:
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If you have to ask, you don't need to know

Should have been:

If you have to Pheonix, you don't need to know.

lol Phoenix.

Though....

given it is so bad...

It will probably end up the best after the Capital rebalance...

Need to change my skill queue...


I think so too. The Phoenix is gonna rock soon.



The phoenix rocks now.


Maybe for PVP, but it sucks major in C5s.
Aikawa Mina
trade tax free
#16 - 2015-09-27 08:26:27 UTC
Kandor Taz wrote:
Aikawa Mina wrote:
Hi~ everyone :D
I recently started to have some interest in flying Phoenix but before i jump in, I have few questions about it.
1. Could we use Phoenix in highsec area? if not, how about just flying one?
2. I heard capital ship class can't dock into stations. Is that same for Phoenix?
3. Could someone share Phoenix fittings for fleet pvp on this post? because Battleclinic.com won't open up on my computer somehow.
Thx Cool


You seem to be pretty new as you are in a rookie corp, you don't know that dreads and carriers can dock, and you are using battle clinic fits. I'm going to suggest that to enjoy the game you put away flying a capital ship for a while. I know it looks exciting and fun (and it can be) but to sit in one it takes ~100 days of very focused training. To actually fly the ship well it might be another 100 days. In that time you won't be able to do anything else. Your skills won't be useful for subcaps and you won't actually get to play Eve at its best. Another **** thing about training straight for a capital is capitals are not used in every fight. You won't be able to just take a Phoenix out to every T2 cruiser fleet. It will severely limit your money making opportunities and what fleets you can go on.

What I suggest is first of all find a corporation that does something you'd be interested in. Find a lowsec PVP corp, join one of the nullsec corps like Dreddit, or Karmafleet, or Pandemic Horde, or any group that takes new players. Ask for help train their doctrines. This way you can learn to fight, make money, and generally how to play the game. After you've been playing for a good while and understand the game you have a few options.

1. Start a new characters and begin training him into a focused capital pilot.

2. If you have enough money simply buy a pilot that can fly a dread.

3. If you feel you've trained enough other skills to make subcaps fun then go ahead and train your main character for a capital. This does have the advantage over starting an alt in that there are a lot of core skills you won't need to train. But it means you will be stuck with whatever subcaps you have for quite a while.


lol... after I read all the posts I asked myself about why I want to use phoenix and "I know it looks exciting and fun " was the only reason so far :P I see which path i should take now. Thank you~Big smile
Amyclas Amatin
SUNDERING
Goonswarm Federation
#17 - 2015-09-27 08:31:32 UTC
It's the best siege dread for shooting stationary targets.

But to newbies: all capitals are coffins, don't ever fly one with using your main.

For more information on the New Order of High-Sec, please visit: http://www.minerbumping.com/

Remember that whenever you have a bad day in EVE, the correct reponse is "Thank you CCP, may I please have another?"

Khelar Udan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#18 - 2015-09-27 20:54:52 UTC
Amyclas Amatin wrote:
It's the best siege dread for shooting stationary targets.

But to newbies: all capitals are coffins, don't ever fly one with using your main.

I don't necessarily support this. Supers are a coffin because they are worth so damn much and you can't dock them. In the grand scheme of things carrier and dreads aren't that expensive and you can switch to another ship with no worries.

I do agree with not training them on your main because the training times are so long. Keep your man subcaps unless you are totally out of ships you want to try.
Celthric Kanerian
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2015-09-27 22:49:13 UTC
Ima GoodGirl wrote:
Bumblefck wrote:
If you have to ask, you don't need to know

Should have been:

If you have to Pheonix, you don't need to know.

lol Phoenix.

Though....

given it is so bad...

It will probably end up the best after the Capital rebalance...

Need to change my skill queue...


Capital rebalance coming in November or December...
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#20 - 2015-09-28 13:48:31 UTC
Aikawa Mina wrote:
Hi~ everyone :D
I recently started to have some interest in flying Phoenix but before i jump in, I have few questions about it.
1. Could we use Phoenix in highsec area? if not, how about just flying one?
2. I heard capital ship class can't dock into stations. Is that same for Phoenix?
3. Could someone share Phoenix fittings for fleet pvp on this post? because Battleclinic.com won't open up on my computer somehow.
Thx Cool



  1. No, unless you get one reimbursed or relocated by a Dev into hisec.
  2. Incorrect. Only supers and titans cannot dock. (And this will likely be changing soon. Dreads can dock.
  3. citadel torps. T2 siege mod. Shields. BCS. Web/TP support ship for insta-blap goodness.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

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