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Hey CCP; Why are you re-releasing "uniques" ? Gold Magnate / Silver
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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#61 - 2015-09-25 13:36:27 UTC
Entity wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
And this is not a problem provided they were a special release, as opposed to a limited release.


The limited vs special distinction is something introduced a very long time after the release of those ships, and at the time they were handed out with the implication that if they were gone, they would be gone forever.

There's probably some CCP posts floating around in the old forums archive saying something to that extent.



The one that are gone are still gone forever. It's not like OP can have his gold magnate from back then. He might somehow get his hand on another one but never the one that was destroyed.
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2015-09-25 13:37:49 UTC
TinkerHell wrote:
As a ship collector after this move, the ishukone scorp becoming just a skin where the rattlesnake victory stays as a ship (yes it matters) and the release of ishukone scorps to blink. I have now reached my limit and will not be collecting 'special' ships anymore. I have lost enough isk thanks. Another part of eve has been ruined for me.

How many silver magnates have they released? 6 factions, 4 teams each of 4? 96 Silver Magnates? I know of 6 Silver Magnates ingame currently. We are not talking about 1-100b loss for investors but about hundreds of billions! Its a lame move to pull. You could have probably got a silver Magnate for 800b before the announcement. Now as there will be 102 ingame, you can probably pick one up for 20b or less. (especially as collectors will have no faith in it holding its value, the next emperor/empress could die the next day)


Oh noes!!!! Someone speculating on the value of pixels lost pixel value!!!!
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#63 - 2015-09-25 13:52:20 UTC
Utremi Fasolasi wrote:
Lore wise the Magnate is supposed to be some pinnacle of Amarrian artistic expression and luxury so that is why another hull is probably not chosen as a reward.

I like to collect too and don't understand all the whinging over a tiny handful of ships but possibly there is time for an art dev to do two new hulls in gemstone colors or other rich materials instead of metallics to appease the 1% ?

Ruby, Sapphire, and Amethyst are all traditional imperial colors after all. (Crimson, Blue, and Purple)

or Ivory and Jet? (with gold/silver hightlights)

It isn't really constructive to just complain without suggesting alternatives.

That said one might guess an artist already spent time on the new Gold and Silver versions and probably proud of their work and wanting to show it off.

These complaints are really selfish as far as that goes IMO.


I don't see anything selfish about wanting CCP to honor their promises, especially considering I don't own any uniques.
If they wasted art time on it that's their very easily avoided mistake, and as you say it's supposed to be a work of art, if you give out a painting as a prize maybe it should actually be an original instead of a copy ? Giving the exact same artwork out twice cheapens both.
ApophisXP
Sadistic Retribution
Sadistic Empire
#64 - 2015-09-25 14:39:29 UTC
cant wait for the impoc to be on markets \o/
John WarpingSlow
#65 - 2015-09-25 14:54:45 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
Does seem pretty unfair to anyone who has spent 100+ bil (2 tril in in some cases) on a limited issue ship if CCP is just going to change their minds and release more on a whim.


You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#66 - 2015-09-25 15:46:21 UTC
What's the problem with slapping the word "new" in the description along with some lore explaining how the Ammarr attempted to re-create their former glory and almost succeeded.

Maybe the hulls look the same. So what? They aren't the same rare items, and everyone will know it.

Will also make for some fantastic scam opportunities.

There. Fixed. Didn't need four pages for that after all, now did we?

Good lord. Of all the things to get upset about. . . an unreleased ship that we know nothing about except it might share a common name with another ship.

Some people just aren't happy unless they are miserable, I guess.

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#67 - 2015-09-25 16:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tyrrax Thorrk
John WarpingSlow wrote:
You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?



No I don't expect them to, but I'll still call them out on it.

Glathull wrote:
What's the problem with slapping the word "new" in the description along with some lore explaining how the Ammarr attempted to re-create their former glory and almost succeeded.

Maybe the hulls look the same. So what? They aren't the same rare items, and everyone will know it.

Will also make for some fantastic scam opportunities.

There. Fixed. Didn't need four pages for that after all, now did we?

Good lord. Of all the things to get upset about. . . an unreleased ship that we know nothing about except it might share a common name with another ship.

Some people just aren't happy unless they are miserable, I guess.


No problem with doing that, the problem would be that they aren't making any effort at all, if they did what you're describing it wouldn't be the same ship, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.
Tonai Kion
Physics Says No
Brotherhood of Spacers
#68 - 2015-09-25 18:07:04 UTC
Holy moley. Is it 2013 again? I remember when Riot changed the legacy skins for limited times again and the fare skin owners went nuts over it citing they spent hundreds of dollars acquiring them. One thing collectors never realize is that it is possible that things get re released, and if you are. Banking on them not releasing something because they said they wouldn't ten years ago, you are making a huge error in judgement
Glathull
Warlock Assassins
#69 - 2015-09-25 18:16:53 UTC
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
John WarpingSlow wrote:
You're expecting a company to honor its past promises when there's no legally binding obligation for it to do so?



No I don't expect them to, but I'll still call them out on it.

Glathull wrote:
What's the problem with slapping the word "new" in the description along with some lore explaining how the Ammarr attempted to re-create their former glory and almost succeeded.

Maybe the hulls look the same. So what? They aren't the same rare items, and everyone will know it.

Will also make for some fantastic scam opportunities.

There. Fixed. Didn't need four pages for that after all, now did we?

Good lord. Of all the things to get upset about. . . an unreleased ship that we know nothing about except it might share a common name with another ship.

Some people just aren't happy unless they are miserable, I guess.


No problem with doing that, the problem would be that they aren't making any effort at all, if they did what you're describing it wouldn't be the same ship, and I wouldn't have a problem with it.


And you know this how? From one tweet that gave absolutely no details about they are or are not planning to do?

I honestly feel like I just read fifty shades of dumb. --CCP Falcon
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#70 - 2015-09-25 22:30:48 UTC
I don't know it for sure and I would be happy to be wrong.
All they've said is "We're re-issuing the Gold and Silver Magnates" re-issue sounds like the same thing to me, rebalanced or not.
Lady Ayeipsia
BlueWaffe
#71 - 2015-09-25 23:09:17 UTC
Look, who cares if Lucas changed it so Greedo shot first. Greedo died, Han clearly knew trouble was coming as he undid the safety strap, and Ham still comes out as the bad posterior region he is.

Oh wait... This is about the magnates. Look, who cares if CCP opts to reissue an old rare ship. More chances for the rest of us to see it and let it spread tales of wonder through out eve. It would be fun, plus it is their game. Much like Star Wars was Lucas's story, their story/game, their choice.


And in all honesty, you are asking a company to be held to a statement it made 5+ years ago That is not related to a safety or warranty question, when it had no clue which direction Eve would head. Can we hold the OP to every statement he made 5 or more years ago? Can we hold him to any statement today five years from now?
Salvos Rhoska
#72 - 2015-09-25 23:16:15 UTC
I'm greatly amused by people worried about losing value on their 800bil spinnable space pixels

This is a kind of insane level of first world problem that I can't even remotely relate to and find just flat out funny.

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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#73 - 2015-09-26 02:15:53 UTC
RIP Eve.

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#74 - 2015-09-26 05:42:14 UTC
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c

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Gregor Parud
Imperial Academy
#75 - 2015-09-26 08:52:33 UTC
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c


Very much agreed. CCP don't do this.
Nicolai Serkanner
Incredible.
Brave Collective
#76 - 2015-09-26 21:36:06 UTC
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c


Wrong argument. A new "history" and lore can be created from a newer edition of the same ship
Sointu Luonnotar
Doomheim
#77 - 2015-09-26 22:10:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Sointu Luonnotar
Tyrrax Thorrk wrote:
I'd also like to know what everyone else thinks.


One: I think you're a crybaby. Most bittervets are, so that's ok.

Two; the last time they were released as prizes for the Amarr Championships, thematically there is nothing wrong about them doing it again for the same event, and it is only a handful of ships at best. So their market value drops maybe a couple of billion, big deal.

Three: because you'll probably bring this up, I've played this game also for almost ten years now on various characters. In my mind there is no intrinsic historical value to some damn pixels. But you'll probably have your way and the ships wont be released, so I don't see the point in continuing this discussion.
Tyrrax Thorrk
Guiding Hand Social Club
#78 - 2015-09-26 23:37:06 UTC
You must be mistaking me for someone who cares about what's thematically reasonable when it comes to broken promises.
also for someone who cares how long you've played (?)
anwyays I seriously doubt I'll have my way

PS; I'm sure you would think it was a big deal if your silver magnate dropped from 800 bil to 40 bil worth, but as i said before I don't own any uniques nor do I think ISK is a particularly important factor, most of the current owners are probably so rich it doesn't have any real effect
Boom Boom Longtime
EVE Corporation 6908469858
Heroes and Villains.
#79 - 2015-09-27 02:14:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Boom Boom Longtime
Chribba wrote:
As I said in Falcon's Championship thread, they should not do this.

EVE history is very important imo, and introducing them again will make such history redundant, your loss will be neglected by new (and old) pilots as the ships are "now".

Reskin a Golden Punisher or similar instead. But leave the originals alone, it died, and that made a great addition to EVE history, CCP should keep it that way.

/c

The point Chribba makes is a prudent one.

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Zahara Cody
Imperial Corrections Service.
#80 - 2015-09-27 04:26:18 UTC
I'd expect a better response from a brick wall.

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