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Tiddle Jr
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2015-09-25 10:51:23 UTC
Divine Entervention wrote:
stupid bait thread trying to collect miner tears.

Lock thread 90 suspend OP.


You got my tears mate, but those are for the lols. Nothing to bait here, two common activities which i'd like hear yay or nay.

"The message is that there are known knowns. There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we don't know" - CCP
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#22 - 2015-09-25 10:55:40 UTC
Salvos Rhoska wrote:
Tiddle Jr wrote:
So in other words should i go mining or ganking?


How about you do both?

Mine with one toon, and use the other to harass the other miners in your belt.

You sir, are a man of efficiency! Why waste one character when you can waste two at the same time! Genius Pirate

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Shallanna Yassavi
qwertz corp
#23 - 2015-09-25 10:58:44 UTC
Mining is boring without a friend. Or relaxing, if you're just in the mood to not do very much that day-just pay attention to what's flying through and nearby. Wouldn't suggest it as a solo career (alts don't count as friends).

Ganking... can't really comment. Haven't gotten to say "Gotcha" to anyone in this game yet, except in the occasional market PvP.

A signature :o
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#24 - 2015-09-25 11:21:29 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
I think one of the most disturbing things I've run across on the internet so far in my life is the fact that there might be codies who actually believe what they say. Not that there is, just that there might be. Because the level of mental degradation required for that should scare anyone.


You and all the others in this thread have made me wonder why this question is even asked. Seriously, "do they actually believe what they say"? And I think I have the answer.

This is a very bad question, because it's a trap for me: whatever answer I'll give, you'll only hear whatever you want to hear. If I'm not serious about what I'm saying about the Code, I'm a phonie. If I am, I'm a loonie. It might arguably be a trap for you, too, since you will stay deaf to the person you are conversing with, so it hardly will win you any friends or make you any wiser. Either way, the question is bad.

So the right answer will be: "it's a video game, ffs, how can all this EVER be serious?"

Don't forget that everything that happens here is not real and act accordingly.

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec
Salvos Rhoska
#25 - 2015-09-25 11:33:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
This is a very bad question, because it's a trap for me: whatever answer I'll give, you'll only hear whatever you want to hear. If I'm not serious about what I'm saying about the Code, I'm a phonie. If I am, I'm a loonie. It might arguably be a trap for you, too, since you will stay deaf to the person you are conversing with, so it hardly will win you any friends or make you any wiser. Either way, the question is bad.


The question is not" bad".
It merely highlights that you lose either way.

Why?
Because you are laughed at and considered a joke by the entirety of the EVE community, across all borders and sectors of space and activity, outside of CODE.

Nonetheless, by all means, play as you want.
Your choice.
You alteast provide content in the sense of comic entertainment.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
La Rynx
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2015-09-25 11:43:51 UTC
Well said!

only code respects code.
thats another win for code too!
lol

Atomic Virulent : "You can't spell DOUCHE. without CODE."
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#27 - 2015-09-25 11:44:01 UTC
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
Anize Oramara wrote:
I think one of the most disturbing things I've run across on the internet so far in my life is the fact that there might be codies who actually believe what they say. Not that there is, just that there might be. Because the level of mental degradation required for that should scare anyone.


You and all the others in this thread have made me wonder why this question is even asked. Seriously, "do they actually believe what they say"? And I think I have the answer.

This is a very bad question, because it's a trap for me: whatever answer I'll give, you'll only hear whatever you want to hear. If I'm not serious about what I'm saying about the Code, I'm a phonie. If I am, I'm a loonie. It might arguably be a trap for you, too, since you will stay deaf to the person you are conversing with, so it hardly will win you any friends or make you any wiser. Either way, the question is bad.

So the right answer will be: "it's a video game, ffs, how can all this EVER be serious?"

Don't forget that everything that happens here is not real and act accordingly.

Well you're the first codie I've ever talked with that actually gave that answer. Hence why I've started doubting the sanity of some of em. I'm still not discounting that there might be some that are actually that unhinged tho.

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ISD Atomic Dove
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#28 - 2015-09-25 11:44:42 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Atomic Dove
Good Evening,

The subject of what a player enjoys is entirely subjective, the idea of "bad", "good" "wrong" and "right" all come in different shapes and meanings for each and every one of us.

Sure you can have more and less efficient activities if you want to measure and absolute value such as isk/hr or kills/day but at the end of the day this game is here to be enjoyed by all.

Part of EVE's appeal to me is the complete freedom within the game.

I would ask that you all remain civil in conversations and not resort to personal attacks based off of others view of the game. This thread has plenty of merit for discussion and i would hate to go through and lock this thread because it has fallen too far off the rails to be salvaged.

I've trimmed a few comments back where they were inflammatory but otherwise there has been little change made.

Smile Please carry on.

ISD Atomic Dove

Lieutenant

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

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malcovas Henderson
THoF
#29 - 2015-09-25 11:54:45 UTC
I mine, but have know to gank occasionally. There is absolutely no reason why you cannot try out anything in this game. be it mining, ganking, exploring, building etc etc etc. just do and see if it is compatible with your fun levels.
Tisiphone Dira
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2015-09-25 11:58:38 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. It's a fact.


Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.


For once a carebear is right Salah, listen to the man, LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED!!!

There once was a ganker named tisi

A stunningly beautiful missy

To gank a gross miner

There is nothing finer, cept when they get all pissy
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#31 - 2015-09-25 12:40:52 UTC
Predictable outcome to a predictable thread.

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Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri
Dreamweb Industries
Novus Ordo.
#32 - 2015-09-25 12:52:56 UTC
Anize Oramara wrote:
Well you're the first codie I've ever talked with that actually gave that answer. Hence why I've started doubting the sanity of some of em. I'm still not discounting that there might be some that are actually that unhinged tho.


If you did, you probably chose the wrong angle for asking. To be honest, I, too, was in doubt whether to give a serious answer, since questioning your counterpart's sanity isn't usually considered a good start for a fruitful exchange of opinions.

Personally, I treat the forums like a place where the player can be more human and less avatar. Most players don't, hence all the politicking and mudslinging.

Tisiphone Dira wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
Salah ad-Din al-Jawahiri wrote:
It doesn't matter if you believe it or not. It's a fact.


Don't pat yourself on the back too hard.


For once a carebear is right Salah, listen to the man, LOOK AT WHAT HAPPENED!!!


The arthritis is real. What?

Agent of the New Order

Live by the Code - die by the Code.

The Voice of Highsec
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#33 - 2015-09-25 12:57:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Salvos Rhoska wrote:

Because you are laughed at and considered a joke by the entirety of the EVE community, across all borders and sectors of space and activity, outside of CODE.


This is simply not true. Plenty of us in the PVE community respect the CODE guys. We (unlike some of our weaker mined PVE colleagues) can see through their hurf blurf to understand that their message is finely tuned to irritate the Latte swilling "over-sensitives" that are their bread and butter. It does nothing to me and folsk like me, we know they are role playing and laying out bait for their targets. They are like 17th century pirates in real life were: Their legend is far worse than their reality.

And It's working, as people are actually asking "are they serious" lol.

The difference between CODE and the weird thin-skinned people they prey on is that CODE types (and their spiritual ancestors, teh Goons) are actually having fun, and even those of us who would not personally enjoy their type of game play (I don't find someone elses 'tears' to be an enjoyable goal) can appreciate what they do.

They are basically the White Blood Cells of EVE, scrubbing the game of the kinds of entitled malignancies that plague other games I've played. So even though I spend all my time either fighting them (like I have goons almost my whole EVE life) or avoiding them (I ain't seen one CODEie in Wicked Creek...), I can still appreciate what they do, and how well they get under the skins of people who should have known they were personally way too thin skinned to play EVE Online in the 1st damn place.
Aldeskwatso
Primus Societas
Crimson Interstellar Alliance
#34 - 2015-09-25 12:59:42 UTC
Unless you really lucky all the time mining is the more profitable choice of the two.

The biggest obstacle you'll encounter doing anything is yourself.
Anne Dieu-le-veut
Natl Assn for the Advancement of Criminal People
#35 - 2015-09-25 13:04:22 UTC
Assuming you're not trolling, I'd say mission running over either. Ganking you need two accounts, because by the time your criminal timer expires and you get back to your gank site, someone else likely will have taken your loot. High sec mining? No, just...no.
Thomas Lot
London Elektricity
#36 - 2015-09-25 13:11:40 UTC
CODE serves a legitimate purpose in high sec. In the long term, tedium and boredom is responsible for more player attrition than rage quitting over a ship/cargo loss. Without a few players making life interesting for the carebears the eventual tedium would make them lose interest in the game.

It also increases both the immersion and the knowledge base of the players. Because of Salah, Bing, Pilot Solette, and a few others in CODE, I learned what ships are particularly vulnerable and how to fit a ship more properly to make myself less of a target for a gank.

Nah, CODE is OK in my play. Instead of screaming at them, join a high sec war corp, war dec them, and look for chances to bring out some solid pvp. I can promise that if necessary, they can park the catalyst and hop in a few good ships and give anyone a good fight.
Renegade Heart
Doomheim
#37 - 2015-09-25 13:18:43 UTC
In my experience, mining paid too little and was too boring for me to bother with. As for ganking, it can be quite profitable, although much of it is down to chance. You could make a few hundred million profit per gank, or you could get really lucky and make billions in one gank.

I think it is probably not the fastest way to make isk in general, but it can be quite relaxing, ship scanning haulers on a second screen while you do something else on your main screen, and then it's exciting when a target shows up, and you take them out and steal their cargo.

Also, mining is a steady income over time, so you know how slowly your isk is going up. But when you are looking to gank haulers, you have the element of surprise when you ship scan people. There is always the chance the next hauler might be the one with a big stack of plex inside. I think this adds to the fun of ganking.

La Rynx wrote:
only code respects code.


I know this is wrong, since I am not in CODE. nor do I have any desire to join CODE. yet I respect them greatly!
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#38 - 2015-09-25 13:27:17 UTC
Thomas Lot wrote:
CODE serves a legitimate purpose in high sec. In the long term, tedium and boredom is responsible for more player attrition than rage quitting over a ship/cargo loss. Without a few players making life interesting for the carebears the eventual tedium would make them lose interest in the game.


Essentially this: highsec players suffer ennui. The repetition kills their enthusiasm.
Salvos Rhoska
#39 - 2015-09-25 13:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Salvos Rhoska
Jenn:

Dont drink the koolaid.

I understand what you are saying.
CODE has its content function.
But then again so too do their HS prey.

Sometimes the chemo is worse than the cancer.

Yes, entitled HS idiots deserve a reminder of what game it is they are playing.
But do not forget that CODE is also an entitled (and pompous) HS entity, also benefiting from that security, and whos actions ultimately are PvE (as against CONCORD) rather than PvP.

Its arguable which is worse, especially as both feel so goddam entitled to the same HS security which enables both of their activities.

Its a hypocrisy, and hence, a joke.

PvE v PvP <> Old School Exploration <> CODE Licenses <> CODE Special Agent
Maekchu
Doomheim
#40 - 2015-09-25 13:55:34 UTC
ISK and profitability is not that important. As long as you can buy the assets that you wish to buy, any excess ISK is just dead money, in terms of fun provided.

So instead of looking at what is more profitable, you should instead consider what is a more fun activity for you to do. Since enjoyment of an activity is subjective, that means that you will have to try both activities and figure out which one you enjoy more.

What is the point of grinding ISK, if you don't enjoy your EvE playing experience as a whole?
Figure out what makes you enjoy the game and what provides you with a reason to login based on enjoyment and not necessity.
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