EVE General Discussion

Now Now children, play nice.

Don't resort to tippia's level, you're better than that.

That's not a repetition, but it yields the same answer: the skill has not been removed; there is nothing to reimburse.

Someone else is given something; this entitles you to nothing. Hell, even if a skill had been removed, there wouldn't be any reason to universally hand out SP.

You have 3 slots per account, simply create a couple of new chars and you prosper x2, no need to cry then that your 3 week old char is underprivileged. It is really that simple!

They have a very odd moon where you live.

You don't really get what I mean? I said for a new player this easily leaves a feeling that the change is not fair and giving those skills to everyone would mitigate this feeling without just giving free SP to everyone. Isn't it the goal to get new players that stay in the game? I mean I know that the amount of players who are really affected (as the ones who started during the last few weeks) should be so small that even if some quit cause of this CCP doesn't have to care. It just sets the incentive - what if they continue pulling such changes? I guess they probably do and did in the past...
It doesn't look to me as if my post is crying but apparently forum folks here see any criticism with a proposed solution as such. You need a lot more to make me start whining and if were at that point I would silently quit instead of posting stupid rants in a public forum to embarrass myself What I want is that this game runs for many more years as starting it is a long time investment. Thus it needs new players to offset people leaving and annoying those new players is counterproductive.

Now for some real criticism of the change: I think they should have left it at 50k SP cause the fast rate of getting new skills and being allowed to use new equipment actually gives a feeling of satisfaction. That may draw more people into the game before the long waiting times eventually hit. With the change you will mostly get small stats improvements at the beginning.

Also I won't create a new char now and pay all the money to train him parallel to this one since I already trained some skills that I don't want to wait for again. As I said for a beginner waiting a week feels huge while for a vet waiting 3 months probably has the same effect.

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@Glathull
In Short: First impressions are very important for new players. After a few months everyone will know they are getting screwed over by everyone and CCP regularly and mostly likely care less than a few week old char. I'm saying that as a relatively pain resistant new player who will quit cause it stops being fun, not cause a patch makes me feel disadvantaged. But I know way to many people who will quite if something like that happens early on while after investing more time into a game they are much more resistant to quitting, even if the effect of a patch is much bigger and fully affects late game/high tier content. Your post is a perfect description of this "hardening"...

Yeah, but the important thing to note is that you haven't been screwed over. Guess what you have that that hypothetical new player doesn't have: skill playing the game.

Here's a serious offer. I'll role an alt the day before this change rolls out. No extra 400k skill points for me. You roll one the day after. All that delicious not getting screwed over. Neither one of us does any training on either of these alts. No money or isk required by you.

Then let's duel. We fit what we can fit with those skills. I'll pay for everything. You risk absolutely nothing in this. No links, no implants, no remote reps, nothing fancy. Straight up solo duel.

Your extra 400k skill points against my lack of them. Let's find out if this really matters at all.

The second part of my edit came too late cause of the one post every 5 minutes restriction for new accounts. Stupid forum

I admit using the words "screw over" was exaggerated. I wanted to make sure you get my point that the moment you are more invested into the game, the hurdle to quit is higher. You just need to get people to this point and I'm against anything that stops people from getting there cause CCP set up some nice perceived (or maybe real) disadvantages.

About your offer: My lack of experience will mostly likely get me trashed but we can do it anyway for the fun .

It's the principle. If CCP gave new players 7m starting skillpoints, I'd feel pretty pissed that I paid for that amount of skill training, only for new people to be given it.

Yeah but it's not 7m, now is it?

I fully understand that.
So the only reason that CCP shouldn't reimburse everyone is that it's a small enough amount to not **** everyone off.
I said from the start that it was the principle of what CCP are doing, not the scale that annoys me. If you steal from a shop and get caught, your punishment isn't dictated by how much you stole. Why does the size of the difference influence the policy behind the change?

You can look at it the other way, if it's such a small amount of SP, then what's the problem in reimbursing everyone?