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Should CCP start shrinking the world of Eve?

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Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#81 - 2015-09-24 01:39:16 UTC
Lan Wang wrote:
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
CCP seems to agree with that.


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So everyone creates ship spinning one man corp forum posting alts instead?

How does that help matters ?
Joia Crenca
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#82 - 2015-09-24 02:01:53 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
High sec is the only thing that needs some shrinking, each faction should be separate and surrounded by low sec systems.

CCP could do some easy lore for the event. Large fleets of Drifters assault the edge systems of Amarr, Minny, Gallente and Caldari territory (all at once or one faction at a time), causing large numbers of Concord and Faction Navy to be destroyed. This leaves Concord and Navy low on resources and must pull back more toward the trading hubs of each faction. The outlying systems start to lose sec status as they can no longer be patrolled and maintained by Concord and Navy, therefore becoming lawless, ie low sec. CCP is much better at lore than I and am sure they could come up with something. Big smile

I don't know if this idea is good, but I think it would be a most interesting change to the landscape.


I've always said low sec needs to be the norm for empire, high sec should only be around the capitol systems and certainly not whole regions.

Also, Yulai needs to be brought back as the center of trade and commerce.



Ok, and once you've chased the high-sec players out of EVE to Elite or other upcoming games, how do you expect CCP to keep the doors open with the fraction of the playerbase that remains subscribed?

This isn't 2003-2004 where EVE was the only reasonable one of its kind, and in addition, EVE can't stay up on venture capital alone now as is often the case when a new major project is starting. It's too old for that phase.
xxxTRUSTxxx
Galactic Rangers
#83 - 2015-09-24 07:57:03 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
I don't think I've ever witnessed a playerbase in so much denial. Shutting your ears and singing la-la-la won't help.


i don't think i've ever witnessed someone who can shut their ears. pics or it never happened. Roll
Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
#84 - 2015-09-24 11:05:19 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Val'Dore wrote:
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
High sec is the only thing that needs some shrinking, each faction should be separate and surrounded by low sec systems.

CCP could do some easy lore for the event. Large fleets of Drifters assault the edge systems of Amarr, Minny, Gallente and Caldari territory (all at once or one faction at a time), causing large numbers of Concord and Faction Navy to be destroyed. This leaves Concord and Navy low on resources and must pull back more toward the trading hubs of each faction. The outlying systems start to lose sec status as they can no longer be patrolled and maintained by Concord and Navy, therefore becoming lawless, ie low sec. CCP is much better at lore than I and am sure they could come up with something. Big smile

I don't know if this idea is good, but I think it would be a most interesting change to the landscape.


I've always said low sec needs to be the norm for empire, high sec should only be around the capitol systems and certainly not whole regions.

Also, Yulai needs to be brought back as the center of trade and commerce.



Ok, and once you've chased the high-sec players out of EVE to Elite or other upcoming games, how do you expect CCP to keep the doors open with the fraction of the playerbase that remains subscribed?

This isn't 2003-2004 where EVE was the only reasonable one of its kind, and in addition, EVE can't stay up on venture capital alone now as is often the case when a new major project is starting. It's too old for that phase.


It amazes me these players that hate CCP who clearly want to see Eve die, and they come up with pap like remove hisec and pretend its for the good of Eve.

What they really mean is something along these lines.

CCP removed can flipping.

Can flipping allowed them to trick people into combat where it was like raping a baby, they got their kicks from this, total no risk PvP.

CCP eventually realising that it was mainly occurring to new players stops it and instead creates a very good system around suspect baiting, these players then cry about PvP being nerfed because they cannot kill easy prey for zero risk because someone better then them may come after them when they go suspect.

So bring back can flipping they chant, Eve has been made easy blah blah blah, in fact what has happened is that Eve has been made tougher for them, cry more please...

Kinda makes you face palm that, at least they should be honest how useless they are!!! Sorry personal honesty is not something they do, I bet they lie to themselves

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Daniela Doran
Doomheim
#85 - 2015-09-24 12:00:04 UTC
Val'Dore wrote:
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
High sec is the only thing that needs some shrinking, each faction should be separate and surrounded by low sec systems.

CCP could do some easy lore for the event. Large fleets of Drifters assault the edge systems of Amarr, Minny, Gallente and Caldari territory (all at once or one faction at a time), causing large numbers of Concord and Faction Navy to be destroyed. This leaves Concord and Navy low on resources and must pull back more toward the trading hubs of each faction. The outlying systems start to lose sec status as they can no longer be patrolled and maintained by Concord and Navy, therefore becoming lawless, ie low sec. CCP is much better at lore than I and am sure they could come up with something. Big smile

I don't know if this idea is good, but I think it would be a most interesting change to the landscape.


I've always said low sec needs to be the norm for empire, high sec should only be around the capitol systems and certainly not whole regions.

Also, Yulai needs to be brought back as the center of trade and commerce.


What a great idea......, this would not only shrink high-sec but also half the player base (including my 6 subs).
Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
#86 - 2015-09-24 15:45:56 UTC
There are 20+ regions of empire space, taking away 200 backwater high sec systems wouldn't change a thing to most high sec dwellers. Changing 2 systems from high sec to low sec between Jita and Amarr would make things very interesting.

As far as shrinking high sec further, I saw numbers (somewhere) that most players live within 10 jumps of a major trade hub. I live in high sec space, 23 jumps from a major hub. There are 8 systems in the constellation I live and most days there are less than 10 players in those systems combined. Great mining, lvl 4 missions, pi etc..., just a lot of players can't be bothered to travel that far.

I really can't see Null sec expanding either. When I lived there it was MUCH safer than high sec and boring as hell, with the only excitement created by wh dwellers. Most systems around me were empty and I can't see how more null sec systems would make things better.
Bumblefck
Kerensky Initiatives
#87 - 2015-09-24 15:51:43 UTC
I wholeheartedly believe that CCP should shrink the OP's...poasting abilities.

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Otso Bakarti
Doomheim
#88 - 2015-09-24 19:10:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Otso Bakarti
I think the OP has presented an interesting idea. You can tell by the intelligence level of the responses he's struck a nerve. (I wonder how many are "gainfully employed" by you know who....now something we'll always have to wonder.)

It's like asking a restaurant to do something about all those empty tables. Some folks just can't help but continue to imagine that crowd filling the hall ... the promise of tomorrow. Tomorrow doesn't keep its promises
if you don't keep yours today.

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Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#89 - 2015-09-25 03:01:17 UTC
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode wrote:
I like my systems. Would you rather be like Elite Dangerous and have over 99% of systems be empty?


I think he's looking for a spaceship version of CS:GO - log in, join a quick queue; lots of GF! - log out and do other stuff.

He seems to miss that EVE's a bit different than that and most do like big huge areas to roam around.

As for ED - offline and online modes and many avoid others staying in private universes. I haven't played it in some time but I never minded online with all the big openness and unexplored parts, being one more comfortable in rural areas vs "the big cities".
Esrevid Nekkeg
Justified and Ancient
#90 - 2015-09-25 14:15:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Esrevid Nekkeg
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
I don't think I've ever witnessed a playerbase in so much denial. Shutting your ears and singing la-la-la won't help.
I'm not in denial, I just do not agree with your standpoint. At all.

Besides that, there is not so much wrong with singing. Even 'La-la-la'. Although yes, you might want to shut your ears when I do so.

Here I used to have a sig of our old Camper in space. Now it is disregarded as being the wrong format. Looking out the window I see one thing: Nothing wrong with the format of our Camper! Silly CCP......

Leonardo Adami
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#91 - 2015-09-25 17:06:19 UTC
Yes !, have less systems but also, have a major war amongst the factions that causes the current highsec, lowsec areas to shift so we'll have less highsec space highsec(and I mean significantly less like 20 systems total 5 systems per faction) more lowsec spec, and as a side effect null will gain some previous lowsec systems.
Commander Spurty
#92 - 2015-09-25 18:09:16 UTC
Actually having thought about it, hows about an expansion that 'alters the map' ... considerably. Remove this 'North / South' concept and go for a Universe that's got a bit more 'Y axis' going for it. Perhaps go 'completely ball shapped' or even 'wraps at the edges' (Cylinder).

That'll get the result of making things feel closer, but not really alter the map (as the connections will remain via 'gates', not proximity). Will offer up more options for those using caps as well. So there's a bunch of whiney kids decked out with Icecream and a cherry on top :P

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Maldiro Selkurk
Radiation Sickness
#93 - 2015-09-25 20:11:47 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Similar to other MMOs merging servers when the population declines. Eve is quickly becoming too big for the current playerbase and burning through a vast amount of empty space to find a fight is no fun at all. Unless the current trend is reversed I believe the expansion after citadels should focus on shrinking, streamlining and polishing the world of Eve.


Just a heads up, they are making EVE space bigger.

Yawn,  I'm right as usual. The predictability kinda gets boring really.

Val'Dore
PlanetCorp InterStellar
#94 - 2015-09-25 22:02:40 UTC
Joia Crenca wrote:
Ok, and once you've chased the high-sec players out of EVE to Elite or other upcoming games, how do you expect CCP to keep the doors open with the fraction of the playerbase that remains subscribed?

This isn't 2003-2004 where EVE was the only reasonable one of its kind, and in addition, EVE can't stay up on venture capital alone now as is often the case when a new major project is starting. It's too old for that phase.


There would still be plenty of high sec systems that need to be CODEd. Stop pandering.

Daniela Doran wrote:


What a great idea......, this would not only shrink high-sec but also half the player base (including my 6 subs).


Why? Do you actually use all of the ~thousand high sec systems? High sec is supposed to be crowded, that is the point. Reducing how many there are doesn't change anything for you... unless you are just one of those players who needs an imaginary net to feel safe. Anyone, whom knows anything about EvE, knows high sec is the most dangerous space in the game.

I for one think you should thank me for wanting more safe space.

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Ronins
#95 - 2015-09-26 00:05:18 UTC
Posting in a stealth Reset EVE thread.
Opertone
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#96 - 2015-09-29 10:41:05 UTC
Artemis Ellery Sazas wrote:
High sec is the only thing that needs some shrinking, each faction should be separate and surrounded by low sec systems.

CCP could do some easy lore for the event. Large fleets of Drifters assault the edge systems of Amarr, Minny, Gallente and Caldari territory (all at once or one faction at a time), causing large numbers of Concord and Faction Navy to be destroyed. This leaves Concord and Navy low on resources and must pull back more toward the trading hubs of each faction. The outlying systems start to lose sec status as they can no longer be patrolled and maintained by Concord and Navy, therefore becoming lawless, ie low sec. CCP is much better at lore than I and am sure they could come up with something. Big smile

I don't know if this idea is good, but I think it would be a most interesting change to the landscape.



this is mega AWESOME

high sec ZONEs split by LOW sec

This post sums up why the 'best' work with DCM inc.

WARP DRIVE makes eve boring

really - add warping align time 300% on gun aggression and eve becomes great again

Mr Mieyli
Doomheim
#97 - 2015-09-29 10:57:00 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
I don't think I've ever witnessed a playerbase in so much denial. Shutting your ears and singing la-la-la won't help.


Sounds like you don't understand why other MMOs can get away with closing servers. Each server running is extra cost for the company to increase capacity, if they dont need the capacity anymore they are throwing money away for no reason. EvE is on a single server so this approach won't work.

What benefit does shrinking the EvE universe achieve? Remember CCPs current direction is towards making space bigger and content more local.

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Pure Angel
Hard Knocks Inc.
Hard Knocks Citizens
#98 - 2015-09-29 14:30:03 UTC
No
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#99 - 2015-09-29 16:41:33 UTC
Translation:
Muh PVP! Muh chokepoints! Muh gatecamps!


No.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Erin Crawford
#100 - 2015-09-29 16:52:59 UTC
Samir Duran Xadi wrote:
Should CCP start shrinking the world of Eve?

No! This is a space-game. There needs to be space - even more preferably, definitely not less!

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